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got a bit touchy like nobody goes low II

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was born in New York City you grew up in

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New York State we enlisted in the United

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States Air Force in 1979 and received

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his honorable discharge in 1981 while

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it's a to the University of Connecticut

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Connecticut school of broadcasting in

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media studies 1980s had the honor of

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working with the Loomis rock and blues

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luminaires in a public relations

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capacity including Stevie Ray Vaughan

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the band Pink Floyd Johnny Winter yeah

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the rock man dr. John I'm Miles Davis so

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I'll tell you a story about during this

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talk he's also wear it to the different

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capacities in radio and television and

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is a musician and self trade artists all

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these paintings really see if anybody

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seen lie became first the first at

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Bentwaters UFO witnesses to go public in

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1983 have you remember it very well I

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was very shocked and was others once and

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was one of 20 military witnesses to

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testify in a disclosure project in 2001

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at the National Press Club in Washington

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DC which is when she can't find a thing

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is still upon YouTube it's on YouTube

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you can see it definitely watch it tell

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you about that today

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really

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he told his stories a television radio

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worldwide as a whistleblower in the

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sense of speaking including CNN the BBC

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Nippon television television guy man

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cast their Entertainment Tonight Sky TV

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and the Sci Fi Channel and probably many

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more otherwise his bio born and on and

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on

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activist for UFO disclosure and military

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witnesses rights which is a very

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important issue and of course he lives

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in our wonderful country so please give

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a good warm welcome to thanks her coming

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for you guys Russ thanks for putting on

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a great day yesterday I've enjoyed it

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I've enjoyed the speaker's brilliant

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talk the lady that was she still

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Hitchcock and she was good and rusty I

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learned more about the Berlin thing than

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I ever knew

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and it's good to see some friends from

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down south and up north and points east

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and west and some new friends and you

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know what who needs to be here or here

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and that's it's not about the capacity

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of the room I am NOT technologically

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good forget that bio I mean it's like

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outdated kind of thing and that none of

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these things existed but so what I'm

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going to do is try to give you some

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visuals I am NOT a researcher I'm a

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missile or I'm a guy I'm a witness and I

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quite by accident ended up in this role

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and tend to stay in it because I've seen

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what I and others live through get

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rewritten quite aggressively even with

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the media with other participants some

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minority remember what I'm about to tell

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you about the majority of people that

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lived it every man silent reason being

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because I've seen what's happened to me

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and some others yeah okay you know you

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yeah okay no we don't thank you for us

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as long as everyone gets that's good

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why eyes ain't that good rest so I need

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but just an inch I was 19 years old when

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this yeah that's great Russ thanks

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thanks buddy I put him on here I do

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things on my Facebook I put silly things

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I put I don't try to get through

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political I basically have facebook I

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have a mother with dementia I try to

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keep in touch with my sister though

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because of the role I got cast in years

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ago I you know I'm known for whatever

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but in real life I'm a regular working

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stiff anyone if you know me it's nothing

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special about me

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I try to be a good father and friend and

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all that crap but I really I'm a regular

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guy I'm nothing like I've seen other

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people act like in the world and this

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stuff but I love this phrase I love this

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man I when I drank I drank with him once

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when he drank still at the improv in New

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York years ago I was very lucky like

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Steve read my bio my co-author Peter

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Robbins were both from an entertainment

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background believe it or not

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and though I'm known for this very the

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big ugly I call it Rendlesham right but

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I have a whole other life that I lived I

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worked for epic in Atlantic Records for

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20 years I co-signed the been called

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Metallica I got a huge half a million

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dollar fine Daffy with a friend of my

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rich Carlson as an hour guys that found

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and you know all kind of things but you

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know the music business is very

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difficult and there's a lot of

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temptations and half a million dollars

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you could blow literally in one night I

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mean it was bad news

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it was crazy on the road year-round and

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then doing this thing that I'm here for

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today and because it was important but

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also living with post-traumatic stress

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now when I anything I say about me you

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can't eyes it buy any of the red the

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Bentwaters the Rendlesham witnesses

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George Carlin was not one of them but I

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like how the man thinks he's a New

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Yorker like myself we're both from the

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originally and I missed this guy because

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you know he wasn't a comedian he was an

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observer and the older you get in life

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listen it's all about observing there's

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an I'm an American I've been in this

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country 16 years this time I am our

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Americans are no different than you or

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just spread out more we have the same

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problems we're not millionaires we don't

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eat hamburgers for business for

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breakfast we you know we we don't live

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like Kim Kardashian and all this thing

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that's happened in the world that's

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dumbing down our children not mine but

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and hopefully not yours but it's what

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they want they wanted just to see a

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stupidity and it just serves someone I

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love the arts of music and it is an

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escape from what I'm here for today and

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I live quite a bit outside this I don't

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see conferences if I get asked I know

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people it's usually excuse for me to

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revisit old friends and really that's

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how it is me it's just seeing old

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friends and you know it's and then

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meeting new people that like the couple

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back there we were talking with it you

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two nice people that this is new this

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subject not just Rendlesham my mate

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you've had some things you've seen and

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you're curious and you've come and I

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honor that I think that's really

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important so welcome you know let's get

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on with the show here in nineteen when I

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grew up when I was so young I could have

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seen that but no in 1921 and when I was

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kid I grew up regular kind of Ozzie and

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Harriet American kind of family i

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President Kennedy got killed I remember

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that and I remember

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my mother walking on the Christmas

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presents she was rapping was

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Thanksgiving and I'm I was eating lunch

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and I can remember this and obviously

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she was like a zombie stepping on

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Christmas present so I've a very what

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I'm and went to the front door and

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there's these two women pushing prams

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data straight and they said something

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and I just remember them running home

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and I remember my dad that's when men

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were that's like the gangster things you

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know still did that no seatbelts and

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cause them by the way well I'm making a

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point about this

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I have extraordinary recall for certain

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things bills and so I could remember

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that day and I you know after talking to

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my mother she actually was in shock as

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it said the president has been shot in

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Dallas and on the radio she walked out

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she was just in shock and it was the big

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deal and I do personally believe that

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was a coup d'etat my government was

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never the same in a sense that American

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Dream has never been the same since or

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the the even the ability to obtain it I

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think we have a similar problem here -

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power removed via bullets but anyway I

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have a great recall of things as a tried

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and not grew up in a family where the

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paranormal UFOs this and that I'm

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adopted I'm very proud to be at this

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book where is it this is not a UFO book

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so if you if you think it is a taint

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it's it's a story about really people

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and that threat runs through it and then

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it leaves it to you - I'm not trying to

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hawk books but it's and I appreciate

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everyone's gotten them and I'll tell you

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why I wrote it to me chicks yeah yeah

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I'll tell you why we did it I use you

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more you know because you know I'm not a

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lecturer I'm not a professional at all

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there's no profession of this you were

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fantastic and I rarely listen to other

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you really were I was like god damn I

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didn't know that okay good

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rush you were fantastic the funny thing

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is I in 1979

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what makes so ago it was not a popular

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we had Vietnam Saigon fell four years

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earlier and we had a thing where Iran

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the Revolutionary Guard raided our

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embassy the movie Argo portrays some

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version or another of that it's great

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movie even though they whatever they did

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was Hollywood but it was the catalyst to

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get me to go on the air force I was a

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musician I played in rock and roll bands

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as in high school wasn't a great student

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but kind of like my son but I went I was

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blessed to come to England

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as an exchange student down in Billerica

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Essex and I went to school there at the

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Mayflower school and I had I was so

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hooked on England man giant Beatle fan I

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met John Lennon as a kid and I just you

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know man I'm in England you know and

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that was a real transformative

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experience to me I had a lifelong

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history with this phenomenon since I was

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a child didn't know what it was in the

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early six myths 60s yeah Betty and

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Barney Hill sting was known but

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definitely not in my house they were

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like Steve you're talking about your dad

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in his books

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my dad you'd find his golf clubs but not

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a single book unless it wasn't a it was

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a big business guy but no books on

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didn't happen it just wasn't part of our

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house but I had invisible friends that I

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could see and they'd come to my crib and

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they'd go ahead would move and weigh

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like a so we didn't know what any I

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didn't know what it was so I had a

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history you'll see all that in this I'm

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trying to bring up the bowl so in 79 I

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enlisted in the US Air Force and it

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wasn't a popular thing to do my friends

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thought I was nuts I I thought the Navy

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and I get seasick and I wasn't gonna do

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that for real and then the army but the

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Air Force wanted a higher standard a

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great you know entrance and I thought oh

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this would be good and I wanted to go

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into a law

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combatant family you know the Air Force

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isn't a lot of ground combat so we're

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like RAF regiment would be the closest

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thing I can relate to you and we were so

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I chose the security for security police

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field but I wasn't security police I was

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a security specialist there were two

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divisions with the cops on the beat and

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then there's guys like us you didn't see

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much and we were all you know ready for

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combat in war and we had big guns

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we were killers you know they were

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trained to kill that's sorry that's what

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we did

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and it was the height of the Cold War

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was a hot time so I came back from

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England I said well I want to go to

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England the Air Force we at that time he

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asked a young kid now they don't know we

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had American bases all over this country

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at that time and I got the last

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assignment last country a choice which

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was I chose England in the whole US Air

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Force on the enlistment program so I

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came in John burrows I was the same rank

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as John burrows when all this happened

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they always say sergeant no it was an

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airman for just like me

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Penniston was just a staffing that's all

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but there's so many more guys so I go

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into basic training and I go through

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that and it was hot as hell in San

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Antonio Texas hot as he'd ever seen

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but then I look back now and I'm not

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going to go into it there's a lot of

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things not in there just didn't make

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sense so I just to skip through the

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raindrops over the years over the things

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what I'm saying maybe we were put in

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place really you know and I will take

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questions you're at one where I will

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take questions no problem there's David

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Bryan to you and that no we're all right

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there's no dead rat on someone so anyway

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so we he made his bed so long story

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short from there long stories I I got in

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the security forces security police as

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they were known then security

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specialists which an SS was our symbol

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we'd be marching SS the best element one

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second of not and you know God thank God

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Jewish people weren't around

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but and that's what no one thought of

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that and I came over I got to hurry of

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Bentwaters my first base I had been

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fully trained at Air Base ground defense

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which was advanced ground offender

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training that they chose you whether you

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liked it or not

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so at 12 weeks of Security Forces

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training before I even came to my first

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base took some leave I remember driving

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up on my mother's car held my uniform

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and all my friends still adhere to here

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I'm like what have I done so I'm going

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up the road and I can remember about to

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turn and so I got John Lennon's new

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singles starting overcomes premieres on

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the radio you know real soon and I

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remember the time so well Jimmy Carter

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was still the president he was on his

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way out and I go to McGuire Air Force

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Base and this is the beginning

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there's a guy connected for his events

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called Rick Bertolli know you might have

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seen interviews a rare thing Linda well

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I run into Rick Bertolli know and

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McGuire Air Force Base on our Mac hop

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over here military airlift command it

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was a charter flight and I'm in the

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bathroom

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like an idiot I go were you going to

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those other own event waters were at the

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urinal you're Riedel and I got bad

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waters I go I'm going there too they got

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nukes there now if you can imagine this

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bathroom was full of officers and

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Colonels and everything and back in the

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70s we had a commercial when Merrill

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Lynch speaks people listen and it's the

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whole street just stop when someone goes

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I'm going to Merrill Lynch and

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everything is stopped

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well that exact thing happened on the

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bathroom and mix and I'm like well do we

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you know that was a problem from the

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get-go so there were a lot of things

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going on flew over I remember two people

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messing around with each other under a

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blanket next to me on yeah I can still

365
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remember it and that's not in the book

366
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but they was really poor taste and and

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I'm sure I drew these orders I'm in a

368
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weird stuff that was just coming to me

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because there's a lot of things that

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come to you and this

371
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I don't know that I still have that

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paper everything talked about I have all

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this stuff it's mentioned in there it's

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not reproduced and it kind of makes

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sense to me now so odd this whole

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freaking thing and so sure enough I

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landed mildenhall and they have all the

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signs for all the bases I'm trying to

379
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give you my experience but how it was

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for me because it happens not long after

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and there's the headlights for

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Bentwaters we all get on it and drove

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down there was snow on the ground that

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day was December 1st 1980 Sun was up you

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can check the weather and there was a

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light cover and snow on the ground

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coming from North waited in the Sun you

388
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know at the base turned into the base

389
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man gate got off and my guy that greeted

390
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me was a staff sergeant named bud

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Stefan's is a name we know and I go I'm

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looking around going I was used to us

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air bases which are like the size of

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cities right and I'm like it's not much

395
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here you know and I go what's there to

396
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do on the base and he goes well we got

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the bowling alley over there and I'm

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like I'm like really this is how many

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yeah I got to be here two years and he

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goes if you want a good hamburger

401
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bowling alley it's just been everything

402
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you want go the bowling alley then we

403
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got a taxi JJ cabs and their Arab you

404
00:18:07,450 --> 00:18:05,540
know and I'm like oh okay just before

405
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they started knocking buildings down or

406
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whatever does it and then we went over

407
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to mos that we have the house of sound

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you can get big Kenwood speakers size of

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Led Zeppelin and they have we had them

410
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in our rooms even though we had it all

411
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let's zip them ac/dc back in black had

412
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just come out that month and I'm just

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trying to give you a flavor in the

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timeframe and so I like my [\h__\h] over to

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my dorm and I meet my roommate who was

416
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now mind you we're America's a vast

417
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place if you don't know if you do know

418
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it's vast even if you're from there you

419
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realize if you're traveling it's big

420
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therefore each states like a different

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country and therefore different ways

422
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different religious views different

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views on the world north/south divide

424
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still exists west coast of distrustful

425
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of New York is in basic training

426
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I remember the instructor RTI saying

427
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there was a bunch of us New Yorker guys

428
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and he goes watch your valuables there's

429
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about six New Yorkers and like it's

430
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probably right so and so we get through

431
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all that and I get my room and it was

432
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really dingy dumpy thing and bad brown

433
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curtains and bunk beds and the other guy

434
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comes in he goes hello how you doing and

435
00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:29,490
I go what's your name and I won't say

436
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his name because he does play a role in

437
00:19:38,330 --> 00:19:34,050
this and I 'try was in a training flight

438
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with me and he got set back for four

439
00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:40,230
days cuz he left his weapon next to a

440
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tree and forgot it there's nothing he

441
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:43,880
actually did they from Alabama

442
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they know they're not sophisticated

443
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icons need office right and you know at

444
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nineteen you think you know everything

445
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everything he did know everything

446
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doesn't matter and I got in the wrong

447
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and we're kind of figuring out where the

448
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beds are gonna your beds way over there

449
00:20:06,890 --> 00:20:05,190
I'm gonna have mine here split this damn

450
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bunk bed cuz i'm leslie van under you a

451
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toy get there and we're just staring at

452
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it we just did not like each other go to

453
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bed that night it all send their banging

454
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on her door what's the first shirts he

455
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was grabbed you're alert gear we're on

456
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alert this countering what mr. Holtz is

457
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:24,390
right i said we don't have alert here

458
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and i talked our way out of it I was

459
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tired I was I gotta go out wherever they

460
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:31,800
were going get your ID and we don't have

461
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anything you know I've only my underwear

462
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I'm in bed so it all right you know so

463
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the funny thing is is that when you get

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to these bases you start a two-week

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program of bass familiar ization and

466
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retry requalification firearms we had a

467
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twin base complex we had a massive WUSA

468
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which I'll get into weapons storage area

469
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Woodbridge did not have an active WUSA

470
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at a time when massive bases longest

471
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runway in New York was on

472
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rich in general was the longest and so

473
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we went over to classes every day the

474
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next the next morning we had to meet met

475
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Gordon Williams Charles halt these the

476
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names are deputy commander very involved

477
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,800
in this and everyone else the British

478
00:21:23,470 --> 00:21:20,720
police liaison officer tally about

479
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drink-driving and back then law

480
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enforcement in this room there was no

481
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breathalyzer from not wrong it was good

482
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evening sir how are you right up to your

483
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face is that accurate and you guys are

484
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good you didn't want to get nabbed here

485
00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:35,510
even though I guess a lot of people

486
00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:38,510
drove around that way and we got you

487
00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:40,070
know I've been england but they were

488
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telling people have never left you know

489
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:45,410
backwoods Alabama or Arkansas or

490
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anywhere you know we're just out of high

491
00:21:51,610 --> 00:21:49,400
school a lot of us but we were now

492
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:51,620
trained killers you look at pictures of

493
00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:52,880
me in high school

494
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:55,310
just the two months before three month

495
00:22:01,930 --> 00:21:57,650
four months before and then when I'm on

496
00:22:03,550 --> 00:22:01,940
that base different face different thing

497
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:03,560
and that's what they do here right

498
00:22:10,450 --> 00:22:07,250
you're not there for create UFO stories

499
00:22:12,190 --> 00:22:10,460
and so I'm just trying to give you a

500
00:22:13,630 --> 00:22:12,200
background of us is I'm not from this

501
00:22:14,830 --> 00:22:13,640
country and you might have a different

502
00:22:15,580 --> 00:22:14,840
experience if you're in the Armed Forces

503
00:22:17,890 --> 00:22:15,590
here

504
00:22:19,570 --> 00:22:17,900
it wasn't an exciting place to be it

505
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felt weird to me the day I got on that

506
00:22:22,660 --> 00:22:22,010
base it felt well there's something

507
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:22,670
wrong with it

508
00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:25,490
just a gut feeling I'm gonna something

509
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:29,240
wrong did I have foresight psychic for I

510
00:22:34,660 --> 00:22:31,490
don't know I didn't feel right there and

511
00:22:36,490 --> 00:22:34,670
dig it I didn't like it we got through

512
00:22:40,450 --> 00:22:36,500
our two weeks of training during that

513
00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:40,460
training these two fellas we were

514
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talking about John Lennon or the Beatles

515
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Lennon was coming to England the perform

516
00:22:49,690 --> 00:22:46,940
in March at Wembley Arena but the new

517
00:22:52,420 --> 00:22:49,700
album and this instructor came in and he

518
00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:52,430
goes one of them Beatles just got shot

519
00:22:57,340 --> 00:22:54,830
in New York a few hours ago see this is

520
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a big two weeks before what I'm here for

521
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and one like [\h__\h] you know that was a

522
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bad day that was just upside down and I

523
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:05,900
remember this bartender and the all

524
00:23:11,570 --> 00:23:09,530
ranks Club southern guy always yeah that

525
00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:11,580
guy was a communist and I tell you

526
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:13,620
I was thinking you know what dude I'm

527
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:16,559
gonna come over this wall but and you

528
00:23:21,260 --> 00:23:18,690
know who that was Monroe Nevins of all

529
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:21,270
things that it was a communist I didn't

530
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:22,710
know what role this guy would play later

531
00:23:28,370 --> 00:23:26,210
on you know mr. Geiger counter and

532
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:28,380
that's why I always remembered his voice

533
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:30,330
ago that's that guy and he tried to gas

534
00:23:34,970 --> 00:23:33,210
us in this trailer once too but put out

535
00:23:36,860 --> 00:23:34,980
the candle like I took it off and kicked

536
00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:36,870
his door open and ran I just shut me

537
00:23:40,790 --> 00:23:39,270
down the tea I guess anyway we get

538
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:40,800
through our training we're familiar with

539
00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:43,650
the base now you are posted to flight we

540
00:23:47,780 --> 00:23:45,870
do not have the option of sitting around

541
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:47,790
for six weeks to wait to go onto a

542
00:23:52,460 --> 00:23:50,370
flight I had all my clearances everyone

543
00:23:53,780 --> 00:23:52,470
else did came over with egg Cabana sack

544
00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:53,790
he's an airman that went through the

545
00:23:58,340 --> 00:23:56,340
first night's events and and I'm trained

546
00:24:00,799 --> 00:23:58,350
together we flew over together we

547
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,809
trained together again and then got our

548
00:24:05,030 --> 00:24:03,000
ship posting he got sea flight I got D

549
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:05,040
and because we're new we're doing the

550
00:24:12,370 --> 00:24:07,710
Knights wings all that six days off

551
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:12,380
three off six on three or out work so

552
00:24:17,419 --> 00:24:15,450
first week on flight we're out riding

553
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:17,429
with law enforcement just get familiar

554
00:24:22,220 --> 00:24:19,530
being in the job even though we're not

555
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:22,230
in their job second week you might not

556
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:23,940
be in the WUSA because that's the third

557
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,240
badge I haven't gotten that one yet

558
00:24:30,140 --> 00:24:28,320
clearance was coming and that came on

559
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:30,150
the 15th of December but they hadn't

560
00:24:35,150 --> 00:24:33,330
issued the pass I shattered in that WS a

561
00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:35,160
on that night I found out that we had

562
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:38,280
the largest backline tactical stockpile

563
00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:41,210
of tactical nuclear weapons in NATO

564
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:46,020
housed at RAF Bentwaters you didn't know

565
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:50,240
it at all now you had at that time

566
00:24:56,150 --> 00:24:53,130
trying to this is important stuff at

567
00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:56,160
that time you had the CMD people the

568
00:25:00,610 --> 00:24:58,679
women going to Greenham common and

569
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:00,620
chaining themselves to the fences and

570
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:04,290
all that mucky muck that went off but we

571
00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:07,980
had a sign in our WS a better on their

572
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:11,070
fence than ours because Greenham common

573
00:25:17,410 --> 00:25:15,360
was a diversion that's the fact I know

574
00:25:20,419 --> 00:25:17,420
because I worked with it we knew it

575
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:20,429
makes sense doesn't it everyone in that

576
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,110
area knew we had the bottom

577
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:24,000
we had a hundred tactical nuclear

578
00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:27,090
weapons and not long there about from

579
00:25:34,910 --> 00:25:31,830
here and there's a one-mile blast radius

580
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,920
for each one of them and you know

581
00:25:39,140 --> 00:25:36,960
count your blessings for a few thousand

582
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:39,150
years in that neighborhood it would turn

583
00:25:44,420 --> 00:25:41,580
to class about a mile circle class

584
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:44,430
that's what they do and they can be

585
00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:46,110
fired well these were and people say

586
00:25:53,270 --> 00:25:48,510
well that water's wasn't nuclear capable

587
00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:53,280
aircraft no we were hm tag Buster's low

588
00:25:59,630 --> 00:25:57,510
slow tank killers they go over to the fo

589
00:26:01,400 --> 00:25:59,640
wells forward operational location kill

590
00:26:06,430 --> 00:26:01,410
tanks if that kicked off which came

591
00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:06,440
close at this time the Poland very close

592
00:26:12,050 --> 00:26:09,750
but just north of us we had f-111s that

593
00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:12,060
were nuclear capable you don't keep the

594
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:16,260
assets with the bomb the assets fly in

595
00:26:22,370 --> 00:26:19,110
pick up the bomb and go that's how you

596
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:22,380
protect the two assets separation

597
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:24,090
they'll keep them all together because

598
00:26:28,910 --> 00:26:26,580
we're first strike in reality when I

599
00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:28,920
learned in light of first few weeks on

600
00:26:36,260 --> 00:26:31,020
death waters is that if it had kicked

601
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:36,270
off in the real world way we had about 5

602
00:26:43,910 --> 00:26:40,290
to 10 minutes to say our prayers because

603
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:43,920
we were first strike retaliation we were

604
00:26:49,940 --> 00:26:46,110
first strike option instantly we were

605
00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:49,950
targeted by them our base was gone but

606
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:52,350
we had ditches and they'd say still you

607
00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:54,570
got to get in there hit the low and put

608
00:26:58,430 --> 00:26:56,520
yourself into the ground it doesn't your

609
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:58,440
incinerate adjust your liquid instantly

610
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:01,020
or vapor so it never happened but what

611
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:03,720
here's what did happened one night I'll

612
00:27:07,550 --> 00:27:05,370
show you a picture just bear with me as

613
00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:07,560
I do this and I'll keep talking as you

614
00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:10,020
can see I'm pretty good at doing that if

615
00:27:13,580 --> 00:27:11,880
I'm making any the sentences better but

616
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:13,590
let me do this I hope none of the nude

617
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:23,460
pictures I tried to but you know me but

618
00:27:27,010 --> 00:27:24,840
I don't the other lifestyle where

619
00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:27,020
anything oh yeah I'm just looking at

620
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:29,590
Steve okay

621
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:41,710
now not on computers oh there they are

622
00:27:47,790 --> 00:27:43,330
okay I'm gonna I'm gonna show you this

623
00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:47,800
and yeah right now I'm gonna give you

624
00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:49,720
just a little rundown of back in the day

625
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:52,390
I forgive me I'm located do it now fine

626
00:27:59,490 --> 00:27:57,870
and forgive me this is not a PowerPoint

627
00:28:02,840 --> 00:27:59,500
I wish I knew how to do those things but

628
00:28:10,260 --> 00:28:02,850
I know anyway there's me on the base

629
00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:10,270
drinking there is me in a girl's room oh

630
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:13,260
yeah yeah okay yeah sure I'm better now

631
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:16,150
thank Oh guys sorry for this not being a

632
00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:17,440
PowerPoint I'm trying to give you

633
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:19,510
instead of a talking head and I'm going

634
00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:21,910
to show you some video but this is we

635
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:24,160
would do dorm clearances we had a curfew

636
00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:29,170
for men in the in the female barracks at

637
00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:31,150
12 o'clock so we'd have to walk through

638
00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:33,070
and clear the rooms and this is a week

639
00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:35,500
before the incident and this girl main

640
00:28:40,290 --> 00:28:38,350
cookie took my picture and some time

641
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:40,300
with cookie you know okay check ones in

642
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:44,320
London oh I think I mentioned her in the

643
00:28:47,550 --> 00:28:45,970
book actually without her Nana we're

644
00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:47,560
friends on Facebook now god she looks

645
00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:52,180
different anyway this is uh you know

646
00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:53,830
I'll tell you the error here you'll love

647
00:28:57,180 --> 00:28:55,630
this this is me and Jeff Lindsay who I

648
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,190
talked into going to the Air Force and

649
00:29:01,290 --> 00:28:58,960
he still doesn't freak because if I ever

650
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:01,300
set foot in Texas again and that's

651
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:03,010
invasive training you can see the error

652
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:05,590
there's a Vietnam P o WB hind us on the

653
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:08,050
wall that's the error with the neck I

654
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:09,910
was like Bill Murray it was just a whack

655
00:29:12,330 --> 00:29:10,300
job

656
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:12,340
funny I went to high school with him but

657
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,740
he's still angry about Texas and but uh

658
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:19,360
this is the kind of big things we would

659
00:29:28,110 --> 00:29:23,650
drive you know armored vehicles that's

660
00:29:30,790 --> 00:29:28,120
on Bentwaters the cars modern something

661
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:30,800
cars will fly we thought

662
00:29:36,610 --> 00:29:34,010
I forgive this kind of roughhousing I'm

663
00:29:38,140 --> 00:29:36,620
doing but that's me down an airbase

664
00:29:39,070 --> 00:29:38,150
ground defense training looks like

665
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:39,080
mashed isn't it

666
00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:48,050
Buckeye this was usually myself how

667
00:29:53,890 --> 00:29:52,190
embarrassing then I but this is the day

668
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,900
you'll love this me and Jeff Lindsey

669
00:29:58,660 --> 00:29:55,760
who's never talked to me again since I

670
00:30:01,360 --> 00:29:58,670
took him in the Air Force we that's when

671
00:30:04,420 --> 00:30:01,370
we're actually leaving from Albany New

672
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:04,430
York to go to basic training and I think

673
00:30:08,110 --> 00:30:06,290
my mom took that and Jeff became a

674
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:08,120
carpenter in fact he was in tears

675
00:30:11,980 --> 00:30:09,770
because they sent him to go long he's an

676
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:11,990
outdoorsman food that Adirondacks write

677
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:13,910
a sentiment of guam it was the best he

678
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:14,690
loved it

679
00:30:18,820 --> 00:30:17,210
every an old friend of ours Lisa they

680
00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:18,830
she was a teacher but she was a honey

681
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:22,190
I'll tell you but uh this is RAF

682
00:30:27,730 --> 00:30:24,290
Bentwaters control tower when it was

683
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:27,740
still at when I during 1981 which is

684
00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:29,930
still there I'm just trying to give you

685
00:30:34,060 --> 00:30:31,460
a little flavor these are my own

686
00:30:36,820 --> 00:30:34,070
personal pictures this isn't me

687
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:36,830
I'm painted by certain parties to be

688
00:30:41,170 --> 00:30:39,050
some kind of you know outcast and

689
00:30:43,630 --> 00:30:41,180
mystery and I was served with honor and

690
00:30:45,850 --> 00:30:43,640
that's an a-10 back there this is an

691
00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:45,860
alpha alert area behind me there's

692
00:30:50,940 --> 00:30:48,200
lethal for us all in here and go walking

693
00:30:56,110 --> 00:30:50,950
around that place baby without triple ID

694
00:31:00,490 --> 00:30:56,120
and that's me and that's which now my

695
00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:00,500
son looks like me which is and then some

696
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:03,590
of the South border a lot of this was

697
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:06,290
our central that building is still there

698
00:31:11,890 --> 00:31:08,690
in the wall I just went in that building

699
00:31:14,530 --> 00:31:11,900
a few weeks ago it's like dead birds all

700
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:14,540
kind of things but that was we were the

701
00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:16,910
best security forces in NATO that year

702
00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:19,190
and you say the US air forces in Europe

703
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:21,470
so we're not monkey boys and you know

704
00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:23,030
chasing lighthouses and

705
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:24,830
smoking crack in the woods and whatever

706
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:26,030
was popular then

707
00:31:31,210 --> 00:31:28,970
and I resent when people like Ian

708
00:31:32,530 --> 00:31:31,220
Ridpath and therefore the folks that

709
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:32,540
don't know there were people that make

710
00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:36,130
it their business to open mouth without

711
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:38,840
really having anything to say they shed

712
00:31:43,420 --> 00:31:41,330
dust as we say anymore but they make a

713
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,430
career out of it no matter what the odds

714
00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:46,480
are against them they maintain these

715
00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:48,620
ridiculous and you find this throughout

716
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:52,160
the UFO phenomenon explanation then I

717
00:31:57,010 --> 00:31:54,890
find it comes from fear or just I'm

718
00:31:59,260 --> 00:31:57,020
gonna get attention of this mofo no

719
00:32:01,330 --> 00:31:59,270
matter what angle I take you'll find

720
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:01,340
that an awful lot in this stuff I always

721
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:05,600
say go hang out with Kim Kardashian make

722
00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:08,570
as much sense these are the type weapons

723
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:10,940
this is our armory on RAF Bentwaters

724
00:32:16,690 --> 00:32:13,370
those are m60 machine guns these are

725
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:16,700
Motorola radio antennas these wrong m16

726
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:18,890
stack these are alert bags with chemical

727
00:32:25,390 --> 00:32:23,210
warfare suits gas masks all the stuff

728
00:32:27,630 --> 00:32:25,400
you'd stick yourself with the radiation

729
00:32:31,270 --> 00:32:27,640
element it was an ugly time those are

730
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:31,280
all our bricks batteries through the

731
00:32:37,690 --> 00:32:33,710
radios for channel Motorola's they're

732
00:32:41,470 --> 00:32:37,700
very expensive round 16 barrels these

733
00:32:42,820 --> 00:32:41,480
remain dudes these guys and we were in

734
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:42,830
that we were in the killing game that's

735
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:44,570
what we were we were best defenders were

736
00:32:49,270 --> 00:32:47,030
trying to kill spits Nets they came on

737
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:49,280
to the base now I show you sitting here

738
00:32:55,090 --> 00:32:51,590
this is my last day of high school which

739
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:55,100
I do look just like my son now that's my

740
00:32:58,780 --> 00:32:56,930
last day of high school not having any

741
00:33:01,180 --> 00:32:58,790
good just got off the bus not knowing

742
00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:01,190
what the hell it was wait listen mate

743
00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:03,260
now you see the difference in the face

744
00:33:10,570 --> 00:33:06,700
the older I get I start to look at oh

745
00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:10,580
what happened oh sorry I'm looking

746
00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:12,260
trying to do with a screen on here I

747
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,030
hope this isn't boring I'm trying to

748
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:16,640
give you a flavor this is us and I'm

749
00:33:20,110 --> 00:33:18,110
will leave the Rocky Horror Picture Show

750
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:20,120
these were all brought my brothers I

751
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:22,490
served with there some are on my

752
00:33:26,529 --> 00:33:24,650
facebook still all of them went through

753
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:26,539
these events you've never heard

754
00:33:33,639 --> 00:33:30,169
you know why if they're smart they're

755
00:33:37,329 --> 00:33:33,649
smart and I'll tell you what

756
00:33:40,989 --> 00:33:37,339
Jimmy Harper here that's how our uniform

757
00:33:42,969 --> 00:33:40,999
was the there's all OD that's called OD

758
00:33:44,619 --> 00:33:42,979
it was not right the Air Force to

759
00:33:48,849 --> 00:33:44,629
transition from the white and blue the

760
00:33:51,549 --> 00:33:48,859
year before he was a mad man this is how

761
00:33:53,169 --> 00:33:51,559
the these side would have greeted pilots

762
00:33:55,329 --> 00:33:53,179
that sign is still there now that looks

763
00:33:58,089 --> 00:33:55,339
like an Egyptian artifact it's so worn

764
00:33:59,680 --> 00:33:58,099
down but that that's how the side and I

765
00:34:01,659 --> 00:33:59,690
thank the good Lord I took these

766
00:34:11,309 --> 00:34:01,669
pictures I show you some really heavy

767
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,379
the houses folks you guys are talking

768
00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:16,399
about this is them just being built on

769
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,109
the field straight ahead

770
00:34:26,759 --> 00:34:20,240
they are all being built now these this

771
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:30,909
when we were off we partied at the club

772
00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:36,079
it's a love thing ever all that we had

773
00:34:41,169 --> 00:34:37,700
some fun there and there was some bad

774
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:41,179
dancing going up but we had to disco

775
00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:46,129
balls match that and believe me I'm

776
00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:47,419
getting to it but I'm trying to put a

777
00:35:00,640 --> 00:34:52,700
face to it all it's important I do okay

778
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:00,650
on the the events I was off Christmas

779
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:01,369
King

780
00:35:07,089 --> 00:35:04,220
I did not know there were two previous

781
00:35:10,509 --> 00:35:07,099
nights of events so I'm gonna give you a

782
00:35:14,319 --> 00:35:10,519
rundown now this is the escape room this

783
00:35:18,009 --> 00:35:14,329
is the end of our EF where are you

784
00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:18,019
RAF Woodbridge here and that's the

785
00:35:21,579 --> 00:35:19,849
beginning of the fence and then at the

786
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:21,589
end of it you turn left now this picture

787
00:35:28,750 --> 00:35:24,049
now those that are familiar with the

788
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:28,760
forest now oh do you

789
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,410
okay oh that's beautiful myself a little

790
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:34,560
Mickey Mouse going around oh okay this

791
00:35:40,220 --> 00:35:37,020
this road now this picture is taken in

792
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:40,230
the spring of 81 so if any of you have

793
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:42,119
been there you'll notice how close to

794
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:44,220
the road the trees we're back now that's

795
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:45,930
a very different forest so when people

796
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:50,040
say this is where this happened and this

797
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:52,170
is where that happened and we're going

798
00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:54,300
to put a little kiddie ride there and a

799
00:35:58,339 --> 00:35:55,950
saucer that the thing that no one ever

800
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,349
seen except one guy and the person next

801
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:00,240
he'll never see in it and we're gonna

802
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:02,490
put signs up that mislead you all around

803
00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:05,730
got to remember that entire forest was

804
00:36:14,359 --> 00:36:11,820
wiped off the map in 1987 God so how can

805
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:14,369
people go book but what happened to me

806
00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:15,900
and what happened to others happen in an

807
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,030
open field that it remains unchanged and

808
00:36:23,330 --> 00:36:20,640
it's important details like that I

809
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,340
couldn't find bones in that forest

810
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:25,680
nowadays because it's not the same

811
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:29,160
forest some trees that remain but this

812
00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:32,220
is the wishful thinking of people that

813
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:33,869
want to make this their own but they

814
00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:37,130
gotta earn it you see any gate Oh mouse

815
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,480
and I have a real problem with people

816
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,520
not earning their way and something that

817
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:43,920
took lives ruined lives ruined famine is

818
00:36:47,570 --> 00:36:45,210
this that the other and trying to

819
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:47,580
attention or start to it without earning

820
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:53,760
it forgive my angst this is a picture

821
00:37:01,849 --> 00:37:00,240
taken night number one I can tell you

822
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:01,859
the facts of this this is heading you're

823
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:04,170
seeing the forest as it looked in 1980

824
00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:09,780
this is in the Earl of early December it

825
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,270
was just this has had this we had a free

826
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:14,160
fire zone so if you know now the trees

827
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:16,200
are right up to this road and that roads

828
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:17,250
falling apart

829
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:19,490
this leaves in the Woodbridge base

830
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:21,930
that's what there's no trees here so we

831
00:37:25,820 --> 00:37:23,940
could see the enemy approach so there'd

832
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:25,830
be no cover and trees for them

833
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:27,810
so it's called a free fire zone we have

834
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:28,890
five hundred yards

835
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:31,560
it kills a little defense in your

836
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:33,000
country

837
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:37,650
Peter stop commenting on my post there

838
00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:39,530
in an operon she doesn't want to be yet

839
00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:43,560
and anyway that's the first and let look

840
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,900
the treeline back then and this is where

841
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:47,040
the story begins

842
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:49,050
I'm just trying to put some imaging

843
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:50,970
because you won't see accurate [\h__\h] on

844
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:52,920
these TV shows guys I do them and they

845
00:37:57,110 --> 00:37:55,380
don't do immaculate even after they say

846
00:37:59,960 --> 00:37:57,120
we're going to do it just right no

847
00:38:02,630 --> 00:37:59,970
you're not you're going to be as wrong

848
00:38:06,830 --> 00:38:02,640
as Liberace's wardrobe and that's and

849
00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:06,840
they always are what what that is night

850
00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:09,420
number one and I'm basing this on

851
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:12,630
knowing the people and also spending a

852
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:14,460
lot of time with John Burroughs it was

853
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:16,050
one of the first nights guys just last

854
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:19,020
year on site we are now friends we go

855
00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:21,060
down a lot of stuff we each are on our

856
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:23,550
own journey with this night number one

857
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,310
even I've learned something they were on

858
00:38:30,740 --> 00:38:29,040
a patrol to check come down this road

859
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:30,750
turn this way there's the famous east

860
00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:33,480
gate you always say which was only a a

861
00:38:37,580 --> 00:38:35,640
gate that it wasn't a full gate like you

862
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:37,590
see now and there wasn't guard shacks

863
00:38:42,860 --> 00:38:40,650
and there was a little plastic hot and

864
00:38:45,110 --> 00:38:42,870
it was that not a very used gate at all

865
00:38:47,330 --> 00:38:45,120
at night so they checked on it John

866
00:38:49,220 --> 00:38:47,340
checked on it he was with Bud Stefan's

867
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:49,230
in a law enforcement police car they're

868
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:53,160
in a different division from us they

869
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:55,560
turned around job was not on the post on

870
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:57,210
the gate they were on a vehicle patrol

871
00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:00,060
checking they look back just like you're

872
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:04,940
seeing now and right in here

873
00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:07,680
actually if this truck wasn't here go

874
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:08,550
straight through it

875
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:11,460
use your imagination with this I can

876
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:12,810
show you exactly as big there was

877
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:14,610
something that looked like an air crash

878
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:19,440
in the forest so they called back get

879
00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:20,970
off my Wendy I went to high school with

880
00:39:26,330 --> 00:39:24,270
you and they went and called for we

881
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,340
think we have a air crash as some weird

882
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:28,560
lights out of the woods in the forest on

883
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:31,530
the ground so at this point Jim

884
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:34,530
Penniston Sergeant Staff Sergeant law

885
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:36,990
enforcement not security not my division

886
00:39:42,829 --> 00:39:39,180
it's not a senior guy to me

887
00:39:46,969 --> 00:39:42,839
comes down a little that is let's get

888
00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:46,979
off and they can only see all my

889
00:39:55,569 --> 00:39:50,700
business and they came down and they

890
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:55,579
also seen this stuff and Jim had Edie

891
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:59,130
with them because we're stay there this

892
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:00,900
was our last nights of the week of

893
00:40:04,940 --> 00:40:02,460
lighting with law enforcement then we're

894
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:04,950
out on our boring posts in went in

895
00:40:11,509 --> 00:40:06,930
aircraft areas so you would never see us

896
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,519
again they've pursued the lights but

897
00:40:15,469 --> 00:40:13,440
Stephan's did not want to go into the

898
00:40:17,709 --> 00:40:15,479
forest he was frightened remember he's

899
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:17,719
the man that picked me up my first day

900
00:40:23,749 --> 00:40:21,690
they pursue the object and hence to all

901
00:40:26,209 --> 00:40:23,759
May I followed them they wanted me to

902
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:26,219
relay because the radios you try a

903
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:28,920
cellphone down there this day mobile you

904
00:40:34,940 --> 00:40:31,710
can't get much our radios always had

905
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:34,950
trouble in this region also our big

906
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:38,880
powerful radios so they pursued you've

907
00:40:43,099 --> 00:40:40,710
seen the accounts on television the

908
00:40:46,099 --> 00:40:43,109
different this and that's they pursued

909
00:40:49,549 --> 00:40:46,109
the object through the woods Edie was

910
00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:49,559
relaying he saw lights I'm going to show

911
00:40:52,339 --> 00:40:50,849
you something in a second that you've

912
00:40:54,289 --> 00:40:52,349
never seen there's some of you might

913
00:40:57,019 --> 00:40:54,299
have because I put things out and don't

914
00:40:59,509 --> 00:40:57,029
say anything they make their way through

915
00:41:03,920 --> 00:40:59,519
they encounter now sergeant Penniston

916
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:03,930
says that he encountered this triangular

917
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:07,170
thing put his hand on it took notes like

918
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,950
he's giving it a ticket all I know is I

919
00:41:16,099 --> 00:41:12,599
was trained if I saw something floating

920
00:41:19,459 --> 00:41:16,109
off the ground in a forest or a Russian

921
00:41:22,279 --> 00:41:19,469
tank or a Jeep or something odd we were

922
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:22,289
trained in one thing cover and conceal

923
00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:25,380
and relay you cover you consider

924
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:28,200
yourself from this potential enemy then

925
00:41:34,339 --> 00:41:30,599
really information even with a runner if

926
00:41:37,509 --> 00:41:34,349
you're ready it over not this is work

927
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:37,519
for you folks polite and no booking like

928
00:41:41,479 --> 00:41:39,450
and that's strange

929
00:41:43,819 --> 00:41:41,489
I'm not knocking the guy he doesn't have

930
00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:43,829
to make good for him but to me in my

931
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:46,440
logical mind and the way I was trained I

932
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:49,049
know he goes about his training it

933
00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:51,930
doesn't in just human behavior something

934
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:52,940
floating off the freak

935
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:55,609
gran i'm legging it i'm gonna i'm not

936
00:42:02,410 --> 00:41:59,290
there taking notes that's interesting

937
00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:02,420
maybe that the guy standing next to him

938
00:42:10,270 --> 00:42:05,000
has no recall of that as recall of

939
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:10,280
lights now enoch away we know you're

940
00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:10,730
there

941
00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:13,670
the guy knew yeah this guy could not

942
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:16,220
you've gotta be here all the time

943
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,650
so the next thing that happens is that i

944
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:20,000
see I'm not there with these guys I

945
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:24,650
wasn't even on duty that night well the

946
00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:26,329
guy next to him ed said I seen all the

947
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:27,950
lights then they're gone for a while

948
00:42:32,349 --> 00:42:29,750
something did happen to these guys no

949
00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:32,359
question it could be different

950
00:42:37,329 --> 00:42:35,060
perceptions Sepp shion's this and that

951
00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:37,339
yet that event on the first night was

952
00:42:41,230 --> 00:42:39,380
photographed and not in Jim Penniston

953
00:42:44,819 --> 00:42:41,240
says he did but it was photographed by

954
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:44,829
someone else because these events folks

955
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:46,970
someone knew they were going to happen

956
00:42:51,010 --> 00:42:49,369
because there was a lot of R&D that was

957
00:42:54,250 --> 00:42:51,020
put in place there and I'm gonna tell

958
00:42:56,410 --> 00:42:54,260
you some new stuff that could vector

959
00:42:58,599 --> 00:42:56,420
this stuff and who do you study best on

960
00:43:00,730 --> 00:42:58,609
who has no rights you're under the UCMJ

961
00:43:03,849 --> 00:43:00,740
Uniform Code of Military Justice not

962
00:43:05,980 --> 00:43:03,859
under civilian law quiet area

963
00:43:07,890 --> 00:43:05,990
Christmastime ain't nothing going on at

964
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:07,900
all even at the best of times

965
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:13,760
well there was observers throughout I'm

966
00:43:16,930 --> 00:43:15,170
not gonna sit here and try to prove it

967
00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:16,940
to you this is something I know and

968
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:19,060
these things were photographed

969
00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:21,170
flash-forward a billionaire's later our

970
00:43:25,930 --> 00:43:23,750
book comes out first edition 1997 it's a

971
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:25,940
big deal I get contacted by a lot of

972
00:43:32,170 --> 00:43:29,810
guys involved in this lots and even

973
00:43:34,569 --> 00:43:32,180
people involved in slap missions that

974
00:43:36,339 --> 00:43:34,579
were connected to this that had been

975
00:43:39,069 --> 00:43:36,349
sick of seeing the many years of hell

976
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:39,079
not just me other witnesses were abused

977
00:43:44,650 --> 00:43:43,130
used this that the other thing I'm just

978
00:43:46,359 --> 00:43:44,660
throwing some things for you think about

979
00:43:47,980 --> 00:43:46,369
we can't get into what them not because

980
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:47,990
it would derail for the poor people they

981
00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:51,680
don't know this thing and there were

982
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:53,900
photographs taken I am about to show you

983
00:43:59,980 --> 00:43:56,089
an actual Department of Defense

984
00:44:02,319 --> 00:43:59,990
photograph one of a number and when

985
00:44:04,510 --> 00:44:02,329
these were passed to me I brought them

986
00:44:08,140 --> 00:44:04,520
to the illumine Ares of American you

987
00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:08,150
apology the guy that took them stayed

988
00:44:12,730 --> 00:44:10,550
off record if you've read Georgiana Bru

989
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:12,740
nice book rest his soul she only wrote

990
00:44:17,470 --> 00:44:14,510
her book because of ours I knew her

991
00:44:20,860 --> 00:44:17,480
before her book and she has a big go at

992
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:20,870
me and that the reason why is that she

993
00:44:27,010 --> 00:44:23,210
was gonna out this guy's name this would

994
00:44:28,990 --> 00:44:27,020
have CAD that guy in a bad way I am

995
00:44:30,850 --> 00:44:29,000
loyal to the death so you want to write

996
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:30,860
bad things and inaccurate things about

997
00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:33,530
me I'm pretty freaking used to it that's

998
00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:36,830
my truth and it stands 18 years in print

999
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:41,480
for a reason now a picture was taken at

1000
00:44:46,450 --> 00:44:43,390
pictures more than one was passed to me

1001
00:44:48,820 --> 00:44:46,460
even my co-author as much as I loved him

1002
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:48,830
it was a hot potato they all ran for the

1003
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:49,910
hills oh I don't know you could be

1004
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:52,250
getting set up is that the other well

1005
00:44:57,130 --> 00:44:55,010
maybe until Monroe nevels who ran our

1006
00:44:59,530 --> 00:44:57,140
Geiger counter with Charles bolts party

1007
00:45:01,960 --> 00:44:59,540
and John Burroughs himself said that's

1008
00:45:05,350 --> 00:45:01,970
exactly in fact John Burroughs is in the

1009
00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:05,360
picture next to the phenomena sound

1010
00:45:10,570 --> 00:45:07,870
amazing I'm going to show you

1011
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:10,580
I got a do a PowerPoint Dona it's kind

1012
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:13,030
of weird give me about five minutes no

1013
00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:15,770
it's it's shameful how I am with these

1014
00:45:21,610 --> 00:45:19,550
things I will show you the raw photo I'm

1015
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:21,620
not really concerned what you think of

1016
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:24,650
it because I am obviously but there's

1017
00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:26,270
been a lot of background with this

1018
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:28,760
there's a lot to this but I want to

1019
00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:31,490
share it with you leave it with you but

1020
00:45:39,010 --> 00:45:35,990
this is an actual DoD print that's night

1021
00:45:41,290 --> 00:45:39,020
one that is the craft in fact as you go

1022
00:45:43,210 --> 00:45:41,300
into it Burroughs is just over here

1023
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,220
that's about a hundred yards from the

1024
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:45,920
cameras in the trees it's off the ground

1025
00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:49,610
and that is actually taken there now I

1026
00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:52,430
can't go into a lot with this and John's

1027
00:45:56,650 --> 00:45:54,260
demanding I do but you know because he's

1028
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:56,660
there you know and I've had this flow

1029
00:46:02,320 --> 00:45:58,490
around my Facebook for years I was so

1030
00:46:05,590 --> 00:46:02,330
furious on how some UFO authors things

1031
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:05,600
like that don't really give a flying

1032
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:08,230
[\h__\h] about the well-being

1033
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,290
witnesses and this is fatal business

1034
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:13,119
stuff crisis is involving federal

1035
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:14,920
government your government does that you

1036
00:46:20,190 --> 00:46:18,160
know it's not a game it did happen and I

1037
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:20,200
can you don't want to play chess with me

1038
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:22,330
on the reality of these offense I can

1039
00:46:26,730 --> 00:46:24,160
assure you that I'm going to show you

1040
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:26,740
that that's a real picture I'm gonna go

1041
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:29,230
into it even more I forget what I'm

1042
00:46:37,020 --> 00:46:31,690
looking for I'm going to show you

1043
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:37,030
another picture gonna say you have

1044
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:39,430
literally seen an actual I just can

1045
00:46:46,349 --> 00:46:41,740
assure you without going a literal

1046
00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:46,359
picture of the phenomena in the woods on

1047
00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:48,700
night one night two and of course

1048
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:50,200
whatever else happened you can read

1049
00:46:54,750 --> 00:46:51,760
about them they have a book encounter

1050
00:46:57,930 --> 00:46:54,760
run the show forest please read it by

1051
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,940
the old knowing guide Nick Pope I'm like

1052
00:47:04,160 --> 00:46:59,920
Nick I don't like how they operate

1053
00:47:06,750 --> 00:47:04,170
that's all you go into because dishonest

1054
00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:06,760
see us there's a book called deliberate

1055
00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:08,590
deception deliberate what they call

1056
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:11,590
Peter brother protection and Steve merit

1057
00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:13,630
I was kind enough to publish that it is

1058
00:47:17,970 --> 00:47:15,700
available through phenomena magazine for

1059
00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:17,980
free because that's a popular word and

1060
00:47:22,349 --> 00:47:20,440
you read and see how the game is played

1061
00:47:24,330 --> 00:47:22,359
and if you haven't read it you really

1062
00:47:28,170 --> 00:47:24,340
need to because it kind of surprised me

1063
00:47:30,510 --> 00:47:28,180
my co-author did a stunning job and it's

1064
00:47:34,109 --> 00:47:30,520
not you know to me I went up just one

1065
00:47:36,540 --> 00:47:34,119
more second garbage but Peter you know

1066
00:47:43,859 --> 00:47:36,550
you don't mess with that Jew it's all

1067
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:43,869
gonna say once you get them going I want

1068
00:47:49,650 --> 00:47:46,780
to show you this isn't my way to start

1069
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,660
here I want to explain 70th night number

1070
00:47:54,359 --> 00:47:52,000
two I guess was brought up last week by

1071
00:47:55,859 --> 00:47:54,369
Colonel halt and everyone I've seen

1072
00:47:58,020 --> 00:47:55,869
people who we've got to know about

1073
00:48:01,400 --> 00:47:58,030
Bonnie Tamplin Bonnie Temple was a black

1074
00:48:05,420 --> 00:48:01,410
lieutenant female Bonnie Chaplin was on

1075
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:05,430
trol night number two vehicle and Bonnie

1076
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:07,770
Chaplin it had something horrendous

1077
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:10,260
happened to her with this phenomena I

1078
00:48:14,570 --> 00:48:12,390
will tell you this phenomena did not

1079
00:48:18,590 --> 00:48:14,580
come and go this phenomenon was in that

1080
00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:18,600
area for three solid days whether it was

1081
00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:22,680
visible or not at times I'm gonna go

1082
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:24,230
into that too

1083
00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:27,480
now bonnie Tamplin I can tell you about

1084
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,400
a week later and I knew lieutenant

1085
00:48:33,830 --> 00:48:31,920
tablet a bit I was in the back light

1086
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:33,840
offices with Carl Brewer it was a number

1087
00:48:38,330 --> 00:48:36,540
two chief of security police and Bonnie

1088
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:38,340
Chaplin and him and I'm in a file

1089
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:41,400
cabinet I got to pick up some whatever

1090
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:44,220
and I'm in there and he was saying

1091
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:45,960
you're gonna go you got to go back on

1092
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:47,850
ship and she goes I am NOT going out

1093
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:50,250
there and I won't do something to get

1094
00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:52,110
thrown off and she was terrified this

1095
00:48:58,700 --> 00:48:57,000
one don't you pray I saw them I didn't

1096
00:49:01,790 --> 00:48:58,710
see what she's seen and I don't know

1097
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:01,800
what she saw and she ain't talking again

1098
00:49:07,220 --> 00:49:03,690
do we blame her does she want to be

1099
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:07,230
another rendition punching bag a black

1100
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:10,380
woman on top of it you kidding me that

1101
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:11,940
wouldn't matter to some of these shocks

1102
00:49:16,070 --> 00:49:14,610
out there I hate cowards I have a real

1103
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:16,080
problem with that I wish I could lighten

1104
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:20,610
up on it but I can't this is a pity this

1105
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:23,730
is great this goes into it hitting on

1106
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:25,050
one hour which is really good-looking

1107
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:30,210
right but I got to that base this is the

1108
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:35,400
at midday about 13 hours before the

1109
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:39,510
third night begins December 1980 is the

1110
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,210
main gate RAF Bentwaters why do I have a

1111
00:49:47,180 --> 00:49:44,880
picture well I went over there with a

1112
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:47,190
real bad camera I had as a kid in it it

1113
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:49,980
just was garbage so I went over to the

1114
00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:53,850
PX building commissary naffy a column I

1115
00:49:59,900 --> 00:49:56,220
went over here and I bought a key stone

1116
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:59,910
110 Instamatic camera I went with a

1117
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:01,380
friend remember that came Harper guy

1118
00:50:05,860 --> 00:50:04,130
like that he had a car we want a good

1119
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:05,870
before our shift our first ship was on

1120
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:08,090
that night our swing seat flight was

1121
00:50:16,690 --> 00:50:12,670
done there was no rumor mill nothing

1122
00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:16,700
pubs are not [\h__\h] it was nothing I'm

1123
00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:18,590
sick of the rewrites guys I don't care

1124
00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:20,900
who you know who you're allied with this

1125
00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:22,430
data and the Americans I don't like

1126
00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:25,400
Larry I don't care it ain't true I was

1127
00:50:30,130 --> 00:50:28,070
there I lived it you didn't

1128
00:50:33,550 --> 00:50:30,140
I'm just being in general tell your

1129
00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:33,560
friends I said it it's [\h__\h] I know

1130
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:35,960
it went on I went through it I lived it

1131
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:38,930
I was there as part of it so I get my

1132
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:41,270
camera we pull up here he's taking us to

1133
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:43,490
hips which I want to check I did not

1134
00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:46,490
know and this is Sunday I did not know

1135
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:48,590
everything shut down like Boston Mass on

1136
00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:51,110
a Sunday back then everything it was a

1137
00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:53,720
ghost town in Ipswich but so I want to

1138
00:50:57,940 --> 00:50:56,150
check an app but Jim said I'll take you

1139
00:51:00,310 --> 00:50:57,950
so me and a few other guys

1140
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,320
I said stop here I just tested the

1141
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:02,720
camera that's er that what's important

1142
00:51:06,460 --> 00:51:04,250
and thank God I took this picture it's

1143
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:06,470
in the book that's a guard shack for the

1144
00:51:12,580 --> 00:51:07,280
entrance bulk

1145
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:12,590
these are sandbags and blast walls we

1146
00:51:18,340 --> 00:51:15,650
had a condition sign and that's it

1147
00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:18,350
that sign would change to normal or

1148
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,790
alert now in two days into the incidents

1149
00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:25,040
already which I am completely unaware of

1150
00:51:30,370 --> 00:51:27,950
unaware no one's talking about nothing

1151
00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:30,380
Brenda Butler was not walking around

1152
00:51:37,390 --> 00:51:34,790
this and nothing [\h__\h] nothing no one

1153
00:51:39,580 --> 00:51:37,400
no I worked it I didn't know it I knew

1154
00:51:42,430 --> 00:51:39,590
the guys I didn't even know it we were

1155
00:51:44,770 --> 00:51:42,440
an alert for a reason because of these

1156
00:51:47,890 --> 00:51:44,780
events there was an alert condition on

1157
00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:47,900
these bases that sign proves it and look

1158
00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:51,260
at how old that car is anyway the it

1159
00:51:58,060 --> 00:51:53,150
really is good that's kind of him but

1160
00:52:00,910 --> 00:51:58,070
what we did and so we drove on and what

1161
00:52:05,470 --> 00:52:00,920
I'm about to show you I on my life had

1162
00:52:06,850 --> 00:52:05,480
no idea and thank God for Facebook I

1163
00:52:08,980 --> 00:52:06,860
took that picture

1164
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:08,990
we drive and we went to go he was

1165
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:11,210
bringing us to the free bus which was on

1166
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:11,490
the

1167
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:13,770
main gate of Woodbridge so we went

1168
00:52:19,070 --> 00:52:15,690
through to the back gate of Woodbridge

1169
00:52:20,780 --> 00:52:19,080
to go through and as we get down that

1170
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:20,790
road you know where I said the forest is

1171
00:52:24,859 --> 00:52:23,010
here on the fences here I tested my

1172
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:24,869
camera again I roll the window down it's

1173
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:26,730
kind of a mild day that day and I can

1174
00:52:30,830 --> 00:52:29,310
remember it remember I remember Kennedy

1175
00:52:34,550 --> 00:52:30,840
and my mother on the presents and all

1176
00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:34,560
it's amazing and I got for some things

1177
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:36,030
and they had I got for a lot of other

1178
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:38,850
thing but I want to show you this I took

1179
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:42,690
this picture now it's in my facebook

1180
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:44,520
this is called Bentwaters back in the

1181
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:46,200
day when I joined Facebook I tried to

1182
00:52:49,310 --> 00:52:48,210
put things on and a friend of mine

1183
00:52:52,310 --> 00:52:49,320
actually put them I didn't know how to

1184
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,320
do them back then and I took this this

1185
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:54,720
picture I found in a bag where are you I

1186
00:52:59,150 --> 00:52:57,330
I took this is the actual picture I took

1187
00:53:02,060 --> 00:52:59,160
it's actually in color but somehow it

1188
00:53:04,730 --> 00:53:02,070
comes out now we stopped we're going

1189
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:04,740
down the road toward East Gate right if

1190
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:08,160
you imagine and there was a low part of

1191
00:53:11,780 --> 00:53:10,260
the trees and then the pines all start

1192
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:11,790
here so you're at the beginning of the

1193
00:53:16,099 --> 00:53:13,850
road coming down hitting Shorty's I

1194
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:16,109
wasn't taking a picture of the a10 I

1195
00:53:19,820 --> 00:53:17,850
worked around him all the time we heard

1196
00:53:21,859 --> 00:53:19,830
him they were above us on the ground but

1197
00:53:23,180 --> 00:53:21,869
I just snapped a picture and they ate 10

1198
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:23,190
hat I don't even remember the plane I

1199
00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:31,040
34 years later that's sitting on my

1200
00:53:34,580 --> 00:53:32,700
facebook and it was 1r up they can fly

1201
00:53:38,330 --> 00:53:34,590
even keep that but oh it's a nice

1202
00:53:40,609 --> 00:53:38,340
silhouette of the ATM and that wasn't it

1203
00:53:42,620 --> 00:53:40,619
was going on my land over at Bentwaters

1204
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,630
it was crossing the back end of the

1205
00:53:47,660 --> 00:53:44,400
forest had nothing to do with leaving

1206
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,670
Woodbridge raisin now what I didn't know

1207
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:49,680
is there's a guy on my Facebook may mix

1208
00:53:55,220 --> 00:53:51,720
a ur from Essex and I believe in giving

1209
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:55,230
credit were do and I'm just one day and

1210
00:53:59,660 --> 00:53:57,480
this is where weirdness comes in one day

1211
00:54:01,940 --> 00:53:59,670
I'm sitting here a mouth work that day

1212
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:01,950
and I just started putting you guys

1213
00:54:05,690 --> 00:54:04,290
might remember if your facebook pictures

1214
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:05,700
after pictures of Rendlesham thing

1215
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:07,410
render some things non-stop over and

1216
00:54:10,849 --> 00:54:09,000
over it's not long ago just last year

1217
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:10,859
over and over and over and I'm like what

1218
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:14,010
the hell am i doing and I came to that

1219
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,329
and I go but then I do this I

1220
00:54:21,739 --> 00:54:20,400
well that's interesting well I want to

1221
00:54:24,829 --> 00:54:21,749
show you something you see that pictures

1222
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:24,839
on my facebook didn't pay much attention

1223
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:28,049
to it I know as much as you do now

1224
00:54:33,319 --> 00:54:30,660
there's more comments now I don't wanna

1225
00:54:36,259 --> 00:54:33,329
show you this I see this comment right

1226
00:54:39,169 --> 00:54:36,269
here Larry what is that just above the

1227
00:54:43,809 --> 00:54:39,179
a-10 is a remark on the photo or what

1228
00:54:49,249 --> 00:54:43,819
you know and I'm like I don't know

1229
00:54:51,709 --> 00:54:49,259
so I someone else got on board with it

1230
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:51,719
who is it rich is it rich

1231
00:54:59,089 --> 00:54:56,400
Vicky is it rich Robert Martin right and

1232
00:55:02,059 --> 00:54:59,099
right this guy got on it where is he

1233
00:55:03,529 --> 00:55:02,069
Robert Martin this thing kicked off like

1234
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:03,539
a monkey now you haven't heard about it

1235
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,839
because I'm too scary for the too much

1236
00:55:13,849 --> 00:55:09,119
Larry got too much going on for him that

1237
00:55:17,949 --> 00:55:13,859
ain't right the way it is so people

1238
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:17,959
smarter than me starting to look at this

1239
00:55:23,859 --> 00:55:21,660
which I never looked at twice and I'm

1240
00:55:26,929 --> 00:55:23,869
gonna show you what came out

1241
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:26,939
now I does anyone know who dr. Bruce

1242
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:29,640
Maccabee is is an optical physicist for

1243
00:55:34,099 --> 00:55:31,650
the US Navy and US government by the way

1244
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:34,109
so when I say this has been analyzed by

1245
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:37,170
someone with credentials it has now what

1246
00:55:42,349 --> 00:55:40,890
we're gonna do is I can't go and believe

1247
00:55:43,759 --> 00:55:42,359
me other people are now running with

1248
00:55:45,759 --> 00:55:43,769
beter does this it's all part of

1249
00:55:47,809 --> 00:55:45,769
everyone else's gig once I say anything

1250
00:55:51,459 --> 00:55:47,819
and good for them you know it's

1251
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,669
pictures again Larry sorry it's so

1252
00:56:00,640 --> 00:55:57,119
primitive how I'm doing this night you

1253
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:00,650
want to share this stuff with you I

1254
00:56:12,260 --> 00:56:10,099
I have described what I've seen on paper

1255
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:12,270
early on it was on the cover of the news

1256
00:56:18,349 --> 00:56:15,170
of the world I didn't finish the drug

1257
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:18,359
about 1984 I do it once this became

1258
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,930
famous and I drew another picture and I

1259
00:56:26,359 --> 00:56:23,760
said that's the shape of the thing I saw

1260
00:56:30,260 --> 00:56:26,369
I wasn't quite an artist then some would

1261
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:30,270
say maybe not now but what came out is

1262
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:33,630
exactly what I've been drawing and I had

1263
00:56:37,339 --> 00:56:35,250
no idea so I know what I'm gonna do and

1264
00:56:38,830 --> 00:56:37,349
again we owe a great debt to this guy

1265
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:38,840
mix air oops

1266
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:41,970
just let me get to it cuz I gotta create

1267
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:43,410
don't I I have to do a PowerPoint

1268
00:56:49,849 --> 00:56:47,609
building I have to join the century my

1269
00:56:52,580 --> 00:56:49,859
photos and I want to show you guys you

1270
00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:52,590
gonna love this if you don't there's no

1271
00:57:04,700 --> 00:56:56,460
hope for you let's say I don't look at

1272
00:57:07,070 --> 00:57:04,710
that that's not me that did that yeah

1273
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:07,080
but no it has a kernel sad so I'm you

1274
00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:08,970
know I like a laugh if my head was on it

1275
00:57:16,550 --> 00:57:12,030
it wouldn't matter but I this is let's

1276
00:57:18,349 --> 00:57:16,560
get dam in every well I'm like this

1277
00:57:22,220 --> 00:57:18,359
misses out there there's my art by the

1278
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:22,230
way there's my son got a haircut finally

1279
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:27,359
there's am I doing this right hey guys

1280
00:57:34,820 --> 00:57:32,330
come on I just slaughter alia let's say

1281
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:34,830
give me a minute to say I just want to

1282
00:57:44,660 --> 00:57:37,290
show you this that I can move on can I

1283
00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:48,470
ah

1284
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:53,330
there we go I'll talk about this letter

1285
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:55,530
you see me with Gary hey that is

1286
00:57:59,480 --> 00:57:57,570
actually well go there in a minute

1287
00:58:03,580 --> 00:57:59,490
I want to just let me good Lord of

1288
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:06,380
and Shaun Ryder that was an interesting

1289
00:58:11,570 --> 00:58:09,570
show nice guy actually you know there

1290
00:58:15,590 --> 00:58:11,580
was no always a druggie you know there's

1291
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:15,600
a nice guy I like them seeing all my

1292
00:58:20,990 --> 00:58:16,400
pictures

1293
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:21,000
the Warriors you all Alan Godfrey

1294
00:58:28,610 --> 00:58:24,720
whatever bill he wrote I didn't put that

1295
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:28,620
on there sorry well you know guys I'm

1296
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:30,660
Steve do you have that picture I I don't

1297
00:58:43,550 --> 00:58:32,940
know it's on here but I don't want to

1298
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:43,560
play around with it all no no I'm trying

1299
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:55,710
to push the antenna yeah it's um it's my

1300
00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:02,160
pictures yeah I got crazy friends on

1301
00:59:07,850 --> 00:59:04,710
this stuff that I don't know why that's

1302
00:59:09,740 --> 00:59:07,860
on there I should just send Peter posted

1303
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:09,750
a mission liaison since you're part of

1304
00:59:21,380 --> 00:59:13,890
the conference it's these are things

1305
00:59:28,140 --> 00:59:24,539
let me try this job you know it's gonna

1306
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:28,150
be down just bare why they just have to

1307
00:59:44,490 --> 00:59:35,680
see this guy's I got too many and why I

1308
00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:50,130
we'll be there just bear with us guys

1309
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:52,990
for a second okay go back that's it

1310
00:59:57,450 --> 00:59:55,089
okay here's what happened thank you a

1311
01:00:09,690 --> 00:59:57,460
king that's white will it turn it into

1312
01:00:11,130 --> 01:00:09,700
Florence oh there it is all right guys

1313
01:00:12,569 --> 01:00:11,140
this is the most interesting kind of

1314
01:00:16,019 --> 01:00:12,579
weird because it would talk you've ever

1315
01:00:18,809 --> 01:00:16,029
seen my son posing with an a statue

1316
01:00:21,269 --> 01:00:18,819
anyway there's the picture you

1317
01:00:24,660 --> 01:00:21,279
originally saw as people went into it it

1318
01:00:27,390 --> 01:00:24,670
turned into that as you go into it then

1319
01:00:30,990 --> 01:00:27,400
it turned in closer you see the three

1320
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:31,000
Delta appendages and it is tens of

1321
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:33,730
meters wide it is a distance from the

1322
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:35,650
aircraft Bruce Maccabee did a whole

1323
01:00:43,549 --> 01:00:40,839
thing on it and that is exactly when I

1324
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:43,559
stood 15 feet in front of on the ground

1325
01:00:47,730 --> 01:00:45,849
but let this more important than that

1326
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:47,740
this is 12 hours now approximately

1327
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:52,529
before my shift began and night 3 began

1328
01:01:00,900 --> 01:00:57,420
god we know you're there Peter but now

1329
01:01:03,870 --> 01:01:00,910
the same photo shown is a 110 camera

1330
01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:03,880
took that I did not see it I felt

1331
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:06,670
compelled to take it and 34 years later

1332
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:09,910
we find it and it matches everything I

1333
01:01:15,690 --> 01:01:12,490
seen and what I described but I'm not

1334
01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:15,700
here to run my case and try to give you

1335
01:01:19,529 --> 01:01:17,529
over the

1336
01:01:21,299 --> 01:01:19,539
and a lot of people have done work on

1337
01:01:22,919 --> 01:01:21,309
this you can see drawings active in the

1338
01:01:25,859 --> 01:01:22,929
80s I don't know where that one is I'm

1339
01:01:28,739 --> 01:01:25,869
not gonna waste your time but there was

1340
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:28,749
even something above it that isn't

1341
01:01:35,789 --> 01:01:32,079
defined and what this tells me is that

1342
01:01:38,219 --> 01:01:35,799
this phenomenon was in the area non-stop

1343
01:01:40,349 --> 01:01:38,229
whether it was visible or not it was

1344
01:01:42,899 --> 01:01:40,359
here to do something and it wasn't a

1345
01:01:45,449 --> 01:01:42,909
common go random obviously three nights

1346
01:01:47,129 --> 01:01:45,459
in a row there's something going on so

1347
01:01:48,839 --> 01:01:47,139
that's just a point I want to share that

1348
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:48,849
with you I'm not gonna give you analysis

1349
01:01:52,409 --> 01:01:50,079
and all because I'm not one of them

1350
01:01:55,499 --> 01:01:52,419
people other people are all doing it now

1351
01:01:57,599 --> 01:01:55,509
but mainstream UF ology that's too scary

1352
01:01:59,759 --> 01:01:57,609
for them it makes me to write and that

1353
01:02:03,149 --> 01:01:59,769
can't happen but I'm telling you am i

1354
01:02:05,099 --> 01:02:03,159
right and you got ahead I need ya hello

1355
01:02:07,459 --> 01:02:05,109
I can't even work this I couldn't make

1356
01:02:09,659 --> 01:02:07,469
that out

1357
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:09,669
nevermind the Christmas message from the

1358
01:02:17,459 --> 01:02:14,559
Hells Angels there but oh yeah okay one

1359
01:02:18,569 --> 01:02:17,469
of the big allies I have a hat look give

1360
01:02:21,149 --> 01:02:18,579
you a break in a minute cuz this is

1361
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:21,159
draining me sometimes this is Stevie Ray

1362
01:02:25,979 --> 01:02:23,049
Vaughan who now just went into the Rock

1363
01:02:28,259 --> 01:02:25,989
and Roll Hall of Fame where he belongs

1364
01:02:29,789 --> 01:02:28,269
after 25 years he was killed in a

1365
01:02:32,609 --> 01:02:29,799
helicopter crash one of my dearest

1366
01:02:34,589 --> 01:02:32,619
friends and I wrote the song wall of

1367
01:02:36,689 --> 01:02:34,599
denial about Rendlesham forest it's on

1368
01:02:39,149 --> 01:02:36,699
the album in step give a listen sometime

1369
01:02:43,129 --> 01:02:39,159
and it was a lovely man and I do this in

1370
01:02:45,869 --> 01:02:43,139
a great field and that's me next to it

1371
01:02:48,209 --> 01:02:45,879
anyway you know me better than most

1372
01:02:53,740 --> 01:02:48,219
people I don't know if you saw another

1373
01:02:59,290 --> 01:02:55,810
I think that's Leslie cane and porn a

1374
01:03:02,860 --> 01:02:59,300
pump again do you know is oh my god

1375
01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:02,870
that's a new one this guy is like a

1376
01:03:10,660 --> 01:03:06,380
virus of numerous things and it gets

1377
01:03:13,780 --> 01:03:10,670
worse every day I can't post anything I

1378
01:03:16,270 --> 01:03:13,790
want to tell you I a comment was made

1379
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:16,280
about mr. Hall last week in his relation

1380
01:03:22,030 --> 01:03:21,200
to me I was a friend of this man for 30

1381
01:03:23,770 --> 01:03:22,040
years

1382
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:23,780
my co-author was an executive assistant

1383
01:03:29,740 --> 01:03:27,680
for since the 70s and he wrote the

1384
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:29,750
foreword on the updated edition of our

1385
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:31,850
book and I'm very offended at a certain

1386
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:35,330
individual disparaging him by making the

1387
01:03:41,820 --> 01:03:38,410
unknowing thing that he disparaged us

1388
01:03:44,830 --> 01:03:41,830
that's called Sony that's called insane

1389
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:44,840
particularly when provable lies are

1390
01:03:49,090 --> 01:03:47,210
presented as fact that's something wrong

1391
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:49,100
there in the head that's not an agenda

1392
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:50,810
there's something wrong when the school

1393
01:04:03,700 --> 01:03:56,930
was department so enough about all that

1394
01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:03,710
oh that's my son in a hotel and but

1395
01:04:07,690 --> 01:04:05,870
anyway I had a normal family and all

1396
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:07,700
that and I'm you know we're not out of a

1397
01:04:13,330 --> 01:04:09,530
mold people like me but there ain't many

1398
01:04:15,970 --> 01:04:13,340
like me and that's me back in about 1964

1399
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:15,980
and my sister who looks like a boy and

1400
01:04:19,930 --> 01:04:18,050
my mother and my father which did that

1401
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:19,940
come out too well my sister sends me but

1402
01:04:27,070 --> 01:04:23,110
she's she takes pictures like this and

1403
01:04:29,170 --> 01:04:27,080
that kind of thing and this is when we

1404
01:04:30,580 --> 01:04:29,180
actually did find out the truth and we

1405
01:04:33,850 --> 01:04:30,590
have been lying for years about

1406
01:04:38,110 --> 01:04:33,860
revolution I it was all for the money

1407
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:38,120
and women but life isn't dead

1408
01:04:44,860 --> 01:04:42,470
here it is no I'm gonna get on with it

1409
01:04:49,090 --> 01:04:44,870
in a second oh it's my son when he had

1410
01:04:50,740 --> 01:04:49,100
shorter hair anyway you know it's yeah

1411
01:04:52,060 --> 01:04:50,750
we found the truth we always thought

1412
01:04:53,830 --> 01:04:52,070
that was probably off Colonel halt

1413
01:04:55,540 --> 01:04:53,840
Cadillac but that's where we're

1414
01:04:57,220 --> 01:04:55,550
researching over here and that's not in

1415
01:04:59,380 --> 01:04:57,230
for up that's me taking a picture of a

1416
01:05:05,140 --> 01:04:59,390
picture as you know that place is

1417
01:05:07,630 --> 01:05:05,150
crawling with Forbes anyway well now

1418
01:05:09,850 --> 01:05:07,640
that was about to fake veterans I saw

1419
01:05:13,030 --> 01:05:09,860
said you had a problem we find them

1420
01:05:19,210 --> 01:05:13,040
offensive also the bottom line is is

1421
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,220
that my night begins I go to on post we

1422
01:05:23,740 --> 01:05:21,200
go through garden out garden out is a

1423
01:05:27,070 --> 01:05:23,750
thing where again these two bunkers in

1424
01:05:27,940 --> 01:05:27,080
this country particularly the kind they

1425
01:05:29,860 --> 01:05:27,950
never come and meet us

1426
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:29,870
I assure you he and Redpath has never

1427
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:32,240
made an effort to meet anyone he's just

1428
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:34,850
as his agenda him and many others what's

1429
01:05:38,980 --> 01:05:36,950
the guy Dave Clark who had better

1430
01:05:42,550 --> 01:05:38,990
records in the 60s than he does in the

1431
01:05:44,530 --> 01:05:42,560
stuff but cowards they're frankly little

1432
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:44,540
people that will never meet the people

1433
01:05:50,410 --> 01:05:47,200
and just spew [\h__\h] through their

1434
01:05:53,470 --> 01:05:50,420
intellectual garbage I'd rather look at

1435
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:53,480
Tino's things it's just the fact that

1436
01:06:01,330 --> 01:05:56,210
full of [\h__\h] okay and we scared them

1437
01:06:02,530 --> 01:06:01,340
because we're not and guard mount is a

1438
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,540
thing where you checked if you were on

1439
01:06:05,890 --> 01:06:04,160
drugs narcotics this that or the other

1440
01:06:07,450 --> 01:06:05,900
and you're inspected by a flight chief

1441
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,460
you're posted to flight you get your

1442
01:06:13,930 --> 01:06:09,680
weapon you clear them you go out I was

1443
01:06:16,210 --> 01:06:13,940
posted on P 18 I was picked up by we do

1444
01:06:18,490 --> 01:06:16,220
radio checks I was picked up by after

1445
01:06:20,650 --> 01:06:18,500
about 15 20 minutes I heard a radio

1446
01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:20,660
thing from our tower the speak ads tower

1447
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:23,990
and the WUSA 80 feet tall those lights

1448
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:28,310
are back hmm what's that and I saw these

1449
01:06:33,250 --> 01:06:30,530
deer we had lower fences then not like

1450
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:33,260
you see now around the base and I was

1451
01:06:38,140 --> 01:06:35,810
picked up they said Warren deactivate

1452
01:06:41,770 --> 01:06:38,150
your post which meant leave your post I

1453
01:06:44,020 --> 01:06:41,780
was in an alert post dug in you saw that

1454
01:06:44,420 --> 01:06:44,030
UFO Declassified that actor was actually

1455
01:06:46,010 --> 01:06:44,430
at

1456
01:06:50,090 --> 01:06:46,020
my actual post no one had ever gone to

1457
01:06:53,030 --> 01:06:50,100
them I haven't and I was picked up by

1458
01:06:54,770 --> 01:06:53,040
Adrian best Enza lieutenant Bruce

1459
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:54,780
England in the passenger seat

1460
01:06:59,570 --> 01:06:57,570
who has makes comments in that book by

1461
01:07:03,650 --> 01:06:59,580
the way all the people that I was with

1462
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:03,660
by the way and Steve on Jarrow in the

1463
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,210
back Mark Thompson open pickup truck not

1464
01:07:10,580 --> 01:07:08,400
a G pickup truck made her way of the

1465
01:07:13,940 --> 01:07:10,590
motor pool I didn't know busty well then

1466
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:13,950
he was a sergeant and we had to refuel

1467
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:16,710
light off light ulcer always hear them

1468
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:17,970
in these shows they light aircraft

1469
01:07:24,140 --> 01:07:19,650
they're like a little trailer mounted

1470
01:07:26,090 --> 01:07:24,150
thing and we I'm thinking why are we

1471
01:07:26,690 --> 01:07:26,100
doing this must be an exercise we are

1472
01:07:29,060 --> 01:07:26,700
fully armed

1473
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:29,070
nothing chambered no rounds in the

1474
01:07:33,590 --> 01:07:30,690
chamber that was the law of the land

1475
01:07:35,330 --> 01:07:33,600
here some strange things happen at the

1476
01:07:37,940 --> 01:07:35,340
motor pool which I talked about at

1477
01:07:39,530 --> 01:07:37,950
length have always said you always hear

1478
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:39,540
I changed my story I'm actually getting

1479
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,890
folks the one that's had the most

1480
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:42,720
consistent one I might have different

1481
01:07:46,690 --> 01:07:44,640
views a little dis and that as time goes

1482
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:46,700
on but does that happen

1483
01:07:52,460 --> 01:07:51,090
we drove on I didn't know there were a

1484
01:07:54,980 --> 01:07:52,470
few people that say they were off duty

1485
01:07:56,750 --> 01:07:54,990
they were actually there we met other

1486
01:07:58,820 --> 01:07:56,760
vehicles at the may old main gate of

1487
01:08:01,490 --> 01:07:58,830
Bentwaters which doesn't even exist now

1488
01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:01,500
it's been grown over hasn't it and I

1489
01:08:06,050 --> 01:08:03,840
remember one of the guys in the back

1490
01:08:08,660 --> 01:08:06,060
mark his parents are coming over for New

1491
01:08:10,550 --> 01:08:08,670
Year's and we're talking about that and

1492
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:10,560
we say must be on an exercise and all it

1493
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:13,680
was in the 30s Fahrenheit no moon I

1494
01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:15,450
remember halt many years ago sanding up

1495
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:17,400
the weather was exactly that they says a

1496
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:19,290
lot of things but it was it was for me

1497
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:22,440
it wasn't that cold tonight get down the

1498
01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:24,540
end those flares on the remember the

1499
01:08:28,310 --> 01:08:26,100
long road picture I showed you with the

1500
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:28,320
trees there was a road block there there

1501
01:08:32,210 --> 01:08:29,880
was a 4 Cortina and those law

1502
01:08:34,090 --> 01:08:32,220
enforcement car it was a flare in the

1503
01:08:38,050 --> 01:08:34,100
road there's no one used those roads

1504
01:08:42,910 --> 01:08:38,060
what was that oh it was just a bill and

1505
01:08:47,810 --> 01:08:42,920
that guy's freaking me out bad that bad

1506
01:08:51,070 --> 01:08:47,820
the things people send me but they they

1507
01:08:53,660 --> 01:08:51,080
I was an open pickup truck so I'm here

1508
01:08:56,519 --> 01:08:53,670
Steve's here on the wheel well this

1509
01:08:58,919 --> 01:08:56,529
little bench thing we have a weapon rack

1510
01:09:01,410 --> 01:08:58,929
just we had their steering wheels on our

1511
01:09:03,809 --> 01:09:01,420
side the state side that on our vehicles

1512
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:03,819
and this poor Cortina with this woman

1513
01:09:07,890 --> 01:09:05,049
and she was trying to get to the back

1514
01:09:10,260 --> 01:09:07,900
gate which was not used much at night

1515
01:09:12,890 --> 01:09:10,270
and they I remember the Ellie toner

1516
01:09:16,410 --> 01:09:12,900
there might be an exploded ordinance

1517
01:09:17,849 --> 01:09:16,420
that was that about so we left that

1518
01:09:19,379 --> 01:09:17,859
there was a little girl asleep next to

1519
01:09:23,729 --> 01:09:19,389
we're on the seat of saw I'm looking

1520
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:23,739
down it off we go so naive guys 19 years

1521
01:09:29,459 --> 01:09:26,409
old hidden in the Hellmouth that's what

1522
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:29,469
we did and we get down the end and we're

1523
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:32,170
left at ease k came from people go well

1524
01:09:34,829 --> 01:09:34,329
it isn't left at Eastgate well you know

1525
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:34,839
what

1526
01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:37,690
artistic license it's my goddamn book I

1527
01:09:43,169 --> 01:09:40,270
lived it I bled for it uh call thing L I

1528
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:43,179
want we get down and someone lieutenant

1529
01:09:47,490 --> 01:09:44,799
England those he was an ex-marine by the

1530
01:09:49,049 --> 01:09:47,500
way because where the hell are we

1531
01:09:51,299 --> 01:09:49,059
supposed to go on this to turn left

1532
01:09:53,549 --> 01:09:51,309
after we escaped that was awkward for

1533
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:53,559
the title so I put left at Eastgate we

1534
01:09:58,140 --> 01:09:55,570
are left at Easter we drove past the

1535
01:09:59,760 --> 01:09:58,150
Eastgate Road down the little hill then

1536
01:10:02,819 --> 01:09:59,770
some of you are quite familiar where I'm

1537
01:10:05,339 --> 01:10:02,829
talking the only trail that exists now

1538
01:10:08,549 --> 01:10:05,349
from those days is the trail we turned

1539
01:10:10,649 --> 01:10:08,559
out it was a loggers access road it was

1540
01:10:12,510 --> 01:10:10,659
dirt track then it wasn't stone on it

1541
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,520
stone was put on it when they cleared

1542
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:14,800
the forest after the windstorm for the

1543
01:10:19,879 --> 01:10:17,650
heavy equipment so when all mud up back

1544
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:19,889
then it was just a dirt track

1545
01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:22,510
cathedral-like with the trees we turned

1546
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:24,340
up that I don't know if there was a gate

1547
01:10:28,049 --> 01:10:25,690
there or not they would have opened it

1548
01:10:29,580 --> 01:10:28,059
what Johnny burrows told me last year is

1549
01:10:32,970 --> 01:10:29,590
that there was a command post set up

1550
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:32,980
just beyond as a camp site because you

1551
01:10:36,510 --> 01:10:34,449
know there was a command post set up in

1552
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:36,520
there to I go I did not cuz I never went

1553
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:39,280
there he does there was head on down we

1554
01:10:44,010 --> 01:10:41,110
get to a clearing which is still there

1555
01:10:45,689 --> 01:10:44,020
it was much smaller then we pulled off

1556
01:10:48,689 --> 01:10:45,699
there's a dip in the ground that still

1557
01:10:51,029 --> 01:10:48,699
remains I don't know why and we get out

1558
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:51,039
of the vehicles we hand we have red hats

1559
01:10:54,810 --> 01:10:53,170
turn in our weapons is everything I'm

1560
01:10:58,890 --> 01:10:54,820
telling you is verified by other people

1561
01:11:01,080 --> 01:10:58,900
don't be fooled by these Pete rewrite us

1562
01:11:02,819 --> 01:11:01,090
or whatever and we turn their weapons

1563
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:02,829
and we weren't allowed weapons on your

1564
01:11:07,169 --> 01:11:05,650
soil so they're red hats took them off

1565
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:07,179
we could transport them between the base

1566
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:09,250
but we couldn't be on the ground

1567
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:09,570
Stan

1568
01:11:16,819 --> 01:11:12,570
with a weapon it's against the treaty

1569
01:11:19,729 --> 01:11:16,829
were foreign force and this is the one

1570
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:19,739
point I believe I saw Colonel halt which

1571
01:11:23,089 --> 01:11:21,480
I always asked him did you wear aviator

1572
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:23,099
glasses at night did you wear night

1573
01:11:27,290 --> 01:11:24,960
vision you know glasses of my gold

1574
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:27,300
friend because I sat with him in DC and

1575
01:11:31,879 --> 01:11:30,420
80 93 went to see him I brought them all

1576
01:11:33,260 --> 01:11:31,889
I stopped he didn't put his cards on the

1577
01:11:35,870 --> 01:11:33,270
table so well they are mine he goes

1578
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:35,880
how'd you get that I said snow which he

1579
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,050
wasn't happy with but we this guy came

1580
01:11:44,540 --> 01:11:42,480
up england's here and this bunch of guys

1581
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:44,550
came up and that's halts party I believe

1582
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:46,650
and they said something in England went

1583
01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:47,159
with them

1584
01:11:50,990 --> 01:11:48,840
that's why Bruce England we split there

1585
01:11:53,149 --> 01:11:51,000
are a lot of people there John Burroughs

1586
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:53,159
is right in the corner John was involved

1587
01:11:58,970 --> 01:11:56,400
two nights you can't miss job six seven

1588
01:12:02,419 --> 01:11:58,980
standing next to Chris Arnold's police

1589
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:02,429
car Chris Armas freaked out and melted

1590
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,520
down John stare civilian clothes and I

1591
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:07,679
knew who had just recognized Minelli guy

1592
01:12:12,290 --> 01:12:10,560
and we broke up when you've heard the

1593
01:12:14,810 --> 01:12:12,300
story we went through the forest I'm

1594
01:12:16,879 --> 01:12:14,820
just going to accentuate it now on the

1595
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:16,889
open channel of the radios we kept here

1596
01:12:22,399 --> 01:12:20,520
in October number one this one I first

1597
01:12:24,410 --> 01:12:22,409
heard the whole tape oh my god that's

1598
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:24,420
the night because I all the background

1599
01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:26,610
alpha one security on I'm like what the

1600
01:12:30,979 --> 01:12:29,670
hell we were alpha one and I was with

1601
01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:30,989
sergeant bass Tenzin

1602
01:12:35,149 --> 01:12:33,510
and two other individuals we made our

1603
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:35,159
way through you've heard the story I

1604
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:36,960
won't take that from you I will tell you

1605
01:12:42,169 --> 01:12:40,560
this I got to a clearing which I didn't

1606
01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:42,179
know was called cable green there's a

1607
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:44,310
big giant tree which is still there it

1608
01:12:50,540 --> 01:12:47,760
was lit up so I was always my marker I

1609
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:50,550
knew what size and I estimated beyond

1610
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:52,290
that's a farmer's farm house still there

1611
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:56,400
light on second floor dog barking two

1612
01:13:01,069 --> 01:12:58,290
cows in the field it was a cow field

1613
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:01,079
them 1980 and the cows were wandering at

1614
01:13:06,970 --> 01:13:03,690
night just kind of nearest in the field

1615
01:13:11,540 --> 01:13:06,980
was a circular object on the ground

1616
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:11,550
greenish yellow transparent but not

1617
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,650
floating off the ground I was here it

1618
01:13:18,109 --> 01:13:15,840
was here's the ground and it was this

1619
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,119
high low but it was like fog with a

1620
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:20,080
definition shaped

1621
01:13:23,820 --> 01:13:22,450
hard to describe because you wouldn't

1622
01:13:27,570 --> 01:13:23,830
think UFO you're like what the hell is

1623
01:13:29,310 --> 01:13:27,580
this cameras this events were filmed and

1624
01:13:33,420 --> 01:13:29,320
I will prove that to you that they were

1625
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:33,430
filmed and photographed happily and the

1626
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:35,110
flip film and photographs were flown out

1627
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:36,880
that base to third Air Force

1628
01:13:41,460 --> 01:13:39,040
Headquarters in Germany there won't be

1629
01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:41,470
me telling you that it'll be a captain

1630
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:44,230
from our base telling you that we're

1631
01:13:46,980 --> 01:13:45,730
gonna take a break in a minute but I

1632
01:13:50,190 --> 01:13:46,990
want to get to this because then it's

1633
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:50,200
heavy after this if you interest another

1634
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:51,730
why I can show you funny pictures from

1635
01:13:58,230 --> 01:13:55,210
Tino and which are probably more fun but

1636
01:14:00,570 --> 01:13:58,240
the thing is I used to be very angry

1637
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:00,580
enough time doing this but now it isn't

1638
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:02,650
like yeah you know maybe this is the

1639
01:14:10,110 --> 01:14:08,170
route that go have some fun we but I do

1640
01:14:12,660 --> 01:14:10,120
get angry at [\h__\h] artists and Liars

1641
01:14:15,780 --> 01:14:12,670
and rewrite us and revisionist I get in

1642
01:14:17,790 --> 01:14:15,790
anything you know I and I get very angry

1643
01:14:19,530 --> 01:14:17,800
about that I should learn to relax a

1644
01:14:21,630 --> 01:14:19,540
little more start drinking again maybe I

1645
01:14:26,430 --> 01:14:21,640
don't know that's how do you do it

1646
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:26,440
so we what I seen is all that with these

1647
01:14:33,090 --> 01:14:30,550
artists the Orford lighthouse if you can

1648
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:33,100
see they're not polite how still the

1649
01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:37,210
press here 35 years later still use the

1650
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:40,260
lighthouse they can't help themselves

1651
01:14:47,370 --> 01:14:45,010
here's the lighthouse pretend there's

1652
01:14:50,010 --> 01:14:47,380
the farmhouse there's the lighthouse on

1653
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:50,020
the horizon you would if I believe me I

1654
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,550
wasn't paying attention to lighthouse

1655
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:53,920
little teeny flash if you saw it at all

1656
01:15:00,000 --> 01:14:57,730
back then and there's trees and then the

1657
01:15:01,710 --> 01:15:00,010
finger trees come out which you know

1658
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:01,720
about right that's where John and Jim's

1659
01:15:05,310 --> 01:15:03,520
now moved their new site nothing

1660
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:05,320
happened in Cape of Green now everything

1661
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:07,570
happening it was rain thank you very

1662
01:15:10,890 --> 01:15:08,170
much

1663
01:15:13,890 --> 01:15:10,900
over the trees from the direction of

1664
01:15:16,850 --> 01:15:13,900
North Sea south of the Orford lighthouse

1665
01:15:19,380 --> 01:15:16,860
came a light much like that it was amber

1666
01:15:21,060 --> 01:15:19,390
and we could see and I'm just thinking

1667
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:21,070
now they're filming this thing and

1668
01:15:26,610 --> 01:15:22,930
there's a lot of people out there and

1669
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:26,620
there were senior people - Gordon - mr.

1670
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:28,810
hall they halt was not the senior guy

1671
01:15:31,690 --> 01:15:29,600
here he is a

1672
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:31,700
protection artist for certain people I

1673
01:15:37,410 --> 01:15:34,490
know it I was the guy's body girl when

1674
01:15:42,730 --> 01:15:37,420
he left they had his general star I know

1675
01:15:45,220 --> 01:15:42,740
and so that comes in now you got to

1676
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:45,230
remember perception feeling movement I

1677
01:15:48,490 --> 01:15:46,730
looked at this a part of the book I

1678
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:48,500
looked at by watching the Timex watch

1679
01:15:52,270 --> 01:15:50,690
and it was everything was like this so

1680
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:52,280
you've heard these newer witnesses all

1681
01:15:58,060 --> 01:15:54,250
described this I've been saying it for

1682
01:16:00,100 --> 01:15:58,070
33 years publicly move up with slow

1683
01:16:01,590 --> 01:16:00,110
thought process it wasn't normal you

1684
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:01,600
wouldn't stick around for this stuff

1685
01:16:09,700 --> 01:16:06,650
came in dead center it was about to that

1686
01:16:13,870 --> 01:16:09,710
light high over this 50 foot diameter

1687
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:13,880
foggy thing I am probably myself

1688
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:16,130
startled the students it was here other

1689
01:16:20,530 --> 01:16:17,570
guys were here the cameras are over

1690
01:16:24,190 --> 01:16:20,540
there and they were cameras filming it

1691
01:16:25,870 --> 01:16:24,200
and they had the cameras to do it John

1692
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:25,880
Burroughs was kept back he was off-duty

1693
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:28,010
he can hear me and say tell him he can't

1694
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:30,050
come out halt was five hundred yards

1695
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:32,000
from us on the other side of the field

1696
01:16:36,220 --> 01:16:34,370
his group I didn't even notice nothing

1697
01:16:38,890 --> 01:16:36,230
never seen beams nothing I was looking

1698
01:16:40,690 --> 01:16:38,900
at what's in front of me this thing as

1699
01:16:41,770 --> 01:16:40,700
soon as it's there it looked like a

1700
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:41,780
basketball

1701
01:16:46,660 --> 01:16:45,050
amber thing and if I even talking was

1702
01:16:48,850 --> 01:16:46,670
like you're in an echo

1703
01:16:52,420 --> 01:16:48,860
wrap them wool like a the feeling it's

1704
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:52,430
like a movie boom blows up but in a

1705
01:16:58,810 --> 01:16:55,730
controlled thing with long lights that's

1706
01:17:01,150 --> 01:16:58,820
all I can say on that active action

1707
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:01,160
alone I receive flash burns to my

1708
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:03,920
retinas that are medically documented by

1709
01:17:09,490 --> 01:17:07,250
the US Air Force insulin SS all matter

1710
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:09,500
of fact here in fact those documents are

1711
01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:13,040
in that book at the back reproduced next

1712
01:17:16,330 --> 01:17:14,450
thing we're gonna take a break in the

1713
01:17:18,250 --> 01:17:16,340
neck is hard to hear talking heads but

1714
01:17:20,140 --> 01:17:18,260
I'm gonna show you some actual video in

1715
01:17:22,750 --> 01:17:20,150
it but if you're with me

1716
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:22,760
yep for this and but I'm just trying to

1717
01:17:28,540 --> 01:17:25,130
give you a real kind of a sense of this

1718
01:17:30,340 --> 01:17:28,550
vibe a structured object that which

1719
01:17:33,820 --> 01:17:30,350
would be a track I cannot describe it

1720
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:33,830
that thing that thing that guy was right

1721
01:17:39,010 --> 01:17:36,490
in front of us however it was it

1722
01:17:41,170 --> 01:17:39,020
transformed it was this movement and

1723
01:17:42,569 --> 01:17:41,180
have to maintain that shape but it was

1724
01:17:44,939 --> 01:17:42,579
always constantly

1725
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:44,949
some guys retreated some guys to their

1726
01:17:49,290 --> 01:17:47,290
cameras going all a while now I will

1727
01:17:51,299 --> 01:17:49,300
tell you this controversy were there

1728
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:51,309
aliens there well I don't know what an

1729
01:17:56,010 --> 01:17:53,650
alien is and people that know me and

1730
01:17:58,350 --> 01:17:56,020
don't have an agenda about me I've never

1731
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:58,360
said there were aliens there I said

1732
01:18:02,850 --> 01:18:00,159
there was something aligned an

1733
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:02,860
association my perception of it with

1734
01:18:06,810 --> 01:18:04,719
that craft and separate from it there

1735
01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:06,820
were no windows isn't a crowd I don't

1736
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:08,980
know I can't describe it for you it

1737
01:18:14,970 --> 01:18:11,290
doesn't look it looks like that but it's

1738
01:18:18,359 --> 01:18:14,980
alive its alive and when I say a thing

1739
01:18:21,180 --> 01:18:18,369
came off the side which it did think of

1740
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:21,190
blowing a bubble it took me 35 years to

1741
01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:22,690
get this description because I think

1742
01:18:26,839 --> 01:18:25,000
some people think a door opened and you

1743
01:18:29,339 --> 01:18:26,849
know we exchange there was no handshakes

1744
01:18:30,780 --> 01:18:29,349
communication never said it I've never

1745
01:18:33,359 --> 01:18:30,790
said the general communicated with

1746
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:33,369
anyone and he wasn't a general yet but I

1747
01:18:37,290 --> 01:18:35,920
see it reading all the time you're in

1748
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:37,300
the heart all that good guy you know

1749
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:40,090
what I'm saying but what I saw and I

1750
01:18:44,339 --> 01:18:42,130
can't prove this but someone's got it on

1751
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,349
film and I'm not out to prove I'm not in

1752
01:18:49,530 --> 01:18:46,480
the belief business I'm in just keeping

1753
01:18:51,450 --> 01:18:49,540
things straight blow a bubble off that

1754
01:18:53,850 --> 01:18:51,460
that's how I describe that this thing

1755
01:18:58,049 --> 01:18:53,860
came off the side of this phenomena the

1756
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:58,059
structured phenomenon and separated in

1757
01:19:03,060 --> 01:19:00,880
the three and then faded blue gold

1758
01:19:05,339 --> 01:19:03,070
lights off the ground which you've heard

1759
01:19:07,979 --> 01:19:05,349
another guy's described now and within

1760
01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:07,989
that line as it faded were things with

1761
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:11,380
faces that moved I could see the upper

1762
01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:14,770
extremity and it moved and Sergeant

1763
01:19:20,010 --> 01:19:16,750
Pistons has said to me I this is just

1764
01:19:22,799 --> 01:19:20,020
like what happened in Alaska and it was

1765
01:19:27,870 --> 01:19:22,809
all slow and I'm like and it's truly

1766
01:19:30,180 --> 01:19:27,880
like a bubble dreamy effect and long

1767
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:30,190
story short our wing showed up other

1768
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:32,650
senior people showed up they were all

1769
01:19:37,979 --> 01:19:35,679
been protected that was Gordon we came

1770
01:19:40,620 --> 01:19:37,989
in from that way my side - I'm walking

1771
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:40,630
exact steps he walked and you couldn't

1772
01:19:44,850 --> 01:19:42,489
bring vehicles down - child why didn't

1773
01:19:46,500 --> 01:19:44,860
we drive down to cable green then he

1774
01:19:48,419 --> 01:19:46,510
goes because there was a barbed

1775
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:48,429
fence right here near the staging area

1776
01:19:53,010 --> 01:19:51,130
so far so different now we broke the

1777
01:19:54,140 --> 01:19:53,020
fences to get down they'd already laid

1778
01:19:57,290 --> 01:19:54,150
down the to store

1779
01:19:59,630 --> 01:19:57,300
barbed wire they had that night now

1780
01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:59,640
there's an 8-foot fence to keep you out

1781
01:20:05,300 --> 01:20:02,400
not dear it's not a deer fence it's a

1782
01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:05,310
you fence and though deer have been

1783
01:20:08,540 --> 01:20:07,020
harmed in that fence which i think is

1784
01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:08,550
appalling but the people that owned that

1785
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:11,340
property of how when this green well is

1786
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:14,910
their name they it's that property but

1787
01:20:20,570 --> 01:20:17,010
you know they're just nasty evil kind of

1788
01:20:23,180 --> 01:20:20,580
landowner types hang the rich but uh the

1789
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,190
rude rude people we don't like you UFO

1790
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:25,440
types on here as I give he UFO types and

1791
01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:28,890
stab me with our wars that happened we

1792
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:31,310
were doing a BBC World Service radio

1793
01:20:36,020 --> 01:20:34,560
thing on takes you know years ago and

1794
01:20:37,310 --> 01:20:36,030
she comes riding at us with her horse

1795
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:37,320
and their daughter was like so

1796
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:39,330
embarrassed teenage guy felt bad for her

1797
01:20:45,470 --> 01:20:43,170
how dad you come on my property I well I

1798
01:20:48,230 --> 01:20:45,480
go you wouldn't believe what's been on

1799
01:20:52,130 --> 01:20:48,240
your property don't eat the carrots

1800
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:52,140
that's all I can tell you and does your

1801
01:21:02,660 --> 01:20:55,770
daughter have three eyes I pretty kid

1802
01:21:04,850 --> 01:21:02,670
how did you know I was there and I'm not

1803
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:04,860
making light of it I I don't know what I

1804
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:07,920
saw you know you get stuck and when you

1805
01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:10,320
there's only if you write them anything

1806
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:12,510
about this phenomena if yourselves

1807
01:21:15,530 --> 01:21:14,130
you're trying to describe it anything

1808
01:21:18,500 --> 01:21:15,540
I'm not the only guy go through this

1809
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:18,510
stuff you've seen they try to find how

1810
01:21:23,090 --> 01:21:21,120
many words you can put it in use for

1811
01:21:24,710 --> 01:21:23,100
this phenomena and it all falls back

1812
01:21:27,020 --> 01:21:24,720
into the be science fiction genre

1813
01:21:30,230 --> 01:21:27,030
because I don't know what words to use

1814
01:21:31,940 --> 01:21:30,240
and then pop culture runs with it and

1815
01:21:34,340 --> 01:21:31,950
there's got to be a lian's has got there

1816
01:21:37,820 --> 01:21:34,350
was something alive or it wasn't or it

1817
01:21:39,860 --> 01:21:37,830
put it in our heads or it was who the

1818
01:21:43,070 --> 01:21:39,870
hell knows I'll never know that but it

1819
01:21:45,410 --> 01:21:43,080
happened and it left proof this site

1820
01:21:48,740 --> 01:21:45,420
where this happened is the only piece of

1821
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:48,750
land in Rendlesham forest or around it

1822
01:21:55,370 --> 01:21:52,170
that has any evidence of an anomalous

1823
01:21:59,840 --> 01:21:55,380
event taking place scientific where I

1824
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,850
say it happened no one else the only

1825
01:22:03,970 --> 01:22:01,040
evidence of an

1826
01:22:05,860 --> 01:22:03,980
this event scientifically analyzed by

1827
01:22:08,860 --> 01:22:05,870
springboard environmental labs and we're

1828
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,870
of Massachusetts twice and you can read

1829
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:10,880
all these things you know about it

1830
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:13,010
I'm not into the science step but it's

1831
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:14,410
just the way it worked out

1832
01:22:22,090 --> 01:22:18,910
do you know about that no it's too real

1833
01:22:23,980 --> 01:22:22,100
you can't have this moving forward so

1834
01:22:27,610 --> 01:22:23,990
the other day I'm tapped out by robert

1835
01:22:31,150 --> 01:22:27,620
ball it was a flight chief get back to

1836
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:31,160
the site into the parking I see these

1837
01:22:36,940 --> 01:22:33,770
things and they're closed it was a

1838
01:22:38,740 --> 01:22:36,950
separation but there was watching it but

1839
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:38,750
no one was up there shaking hands and

1840
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:41,210
all this is I've never said that but it

1841
01:22:44,050 --> 01:22:42,560
makes a fool out of me doesn't it so

1842
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:44,060
sounds good you know enemies will use

1843
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:47,120
them and I look back and that was in

1844
01:22:50,050 --> 01:22:47,810
place

1845
01:22:53,710 --> 01:22:50,060
sergeant bust injure remained this is

1846
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:53,720
why miss tens us with burrows later John

1847
01:22:58,990 --> 01:22:56,570
came forward after I went back probably

1848
01:23:00,880 --> 01:22:59,000
got I'm gonna break now is that what I

1849
01:23:04,030 --> 01:23:00,890
realized when I'm with sergeant Berto

1850
01:23:05,890 --> 01:23:04,040
with John Burroughs last year I said you

1851
01:23:07,390 --> 01:23:05,900
know I came back I remember you still

1852
01:23:09,580 --> 01:23:07,400
standing there and yelling at Chris

1853
01:23:11,770 --> 01:23:09,590
Arnold who was a real prick who got

1854
01:23:12,910 --> 01:23:11,780
terrified and took pictures and says now

1855
01:23:15,820 --> 01:23:12,920
nothing ever happened

1856
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:15,830
humans shut down on this stuff and we

1857
01:23:19,300 --> 01:23:17,450
had a lot of different reactions from a

1858
01:23:21,340 --> 01:23:19,310
lot of different people but John still

1859
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:21,350
go back to that I can't I remember him

1860
01:23:25,260 --> 01:23:22,850
you know John's very emotionally he

1861
01:23:27,550 --> 01:23:25,270
can't miss the guy and I'm heading back

1862
01:23:29,530 --> 01:23:27,560
but now the problem is with Ronnie

1863
01:23:32,050 --> 01:23:29,540
Dugdale this friend of ours pointed out

1864
01:23:34,030 --> 01:23:32,060
in the book I'm like that's it and

1865
01:23:36,910 --> 01:23:34,040
suddenly I'm turning my weapon in Sun's

1866
01:23:41,140 --> 01:23:36,920
up at Gardner at the CSC that building

1867
01:23:42,910 --> 01:23:41,150
issue now wait a minute this could only

1868
01:23:47,770 --> 01:23:42,920
have been at the latest 3 a.m. in the

1869
01:23:49,690 --> 01:23:47,780
morning when I had left it takes 10-15

1870
01:23:52,990 --> 01:23:49,700
minutes to get back to Bentwaters I

1871
01:23:54,730 --> 01:23:53,000
don't remember getting in a vehicle and

1872
01:23:57,340 --> 01:23:54,740
going back to Bentwaters and all

1873
01:24:01,840 --> 01:23:57,350
remember is walking the C&C with my

1874
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:01,850
weapon and the Sun was up never thought

1875
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:03,440
about this right in this book or

1876
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:06,080
anything until John told me goes well

1877
01:24:10,540 --> 01:24:08,090
then that's best ends are maintained and

1878
01:24:12,970 --> 01:24:10,550
that's where John I'll sort it out for

1879
01:24:13,330 --> 01:24:12,980
you take the mystery out of this as

1880
01:24:15,550 --> 01:24:13,340
weird

1881
01:24:17,950 --> 01:24:15,560
it is how does people this and that

1882
01:24:21,930 --> 01:24:17,960
that's how Adrienne remained John's

1883
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:21,940
thing happened after me with Abram I

1884
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:24,800
don't remember how I got back but then

1885
01:24:28,810 --> 01:24:26,510
John does so don't feel bad cuz after I

1886
01:24:31,330 --> 01:24:28,820
went forward and Adrian chased me and

1887
01:24:34,060 --> 01:24:31,340
John went into this phenomena went in it

1888
01:24:35,650 --> 01:24:34,070
was the fact he don't know he's

1889
01:24:38,410 --> 01:24:35,660
exploring it he just thinks different

1890
01:24:41,410 --> 01:24:38,420
but I know for a fact he did but he has

1891
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:41,420
14 hours of missing time and I'm going

1892
01:24:44,290 --> 01:24:43,010
and he goes you know I always thought

1893
01:24:46,150 --> 01:24:44,300
with you you're a count though it just

1894
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:46,160
stops when you're walking back and then

1895
01:24:49,390 --> 01:24:46,730
your turn

1896
01:24:51,190 --> 01:24:49,400
there's a big gap there that's a problem

1897
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:51,200
for us that I don't really want to know

1898
01:24:57,850 --> 01:24:53,450
but it takes sometimes decades to even

1899
01:24:59,710 --> 01:24:57,860
go that ain't right so let's get a

1900
01:25:04,720 --> 01:24:59,720
little break it Russ are you around

1901
01:25:06,490 --> 01:25:04,730
still I think looking after his mom I

1902
01:25:08,410 --> 01:25:06,500
know that it would that Steve you know

1903
01:25:10,300 --> 01:25:08,420
conferences is if we take a little break